Re: The numbers Game (youth)
Settummanque, the blackeagle (WALTOML@WKUVX1.BITNET)
Thu, 8 Apr 1993 13:20:02 CDT
Steve Souza <76703.633@COMPUSERVE.COM> writes:
>quoting From: Frank Boimare SC0HASS@VM.TCS.TULANE.EDU
>> Varsity: Boys *only*, 14+.
>> Varied-interest Explorers: Boys *and* girls, 15+.
>Frank and others,
>First of all, Explorers (any kind) run from 14 - 21 yrs old, not 15.
(or 15 regardless of grade...14 year olds must have completed the 8th
>Second, [this was a convenient place to insert these comments] I don't
>believe in playing the numbers game for the sake of the numbers, at the
>expense of reality... however... when you already have the reality, the
>numbers can make a difference.
>When you have young men in your Troop (Varsity, Venture, whatever) that are
>turning 18 and no longer able to be "youth" in the Troop, rather than simply
>register them as adults in the Troop and have them sign up as ASM or MC
>positions, here's a positive alternative.
>Have then register as Explorers, with their 'additional' registration being
>the ASM or MC position.
This is NOT a great alternative, Steve...what this does for me as a
professional is to create "new units" that will in a span of two years
DIE from those "Assistant Scoutmasters" leaving to become
Scoutmasters. One of the first things that ALL professionals learn is
that when you organize a new unit, you want to insure that it will
stay organized for the lenght of time you are to serve as District
Exeucutive (or three years).
Using your proposal, I would have to return to that Explorer Post
(which is created for those same "numbers", in this case, UNIT
numbers) sometime in the following year to reorganize it (or have a
member of my Council's Exploring Commissioner/Service Team to
reorganize it) and again in 1995. This to me, is NOT acceptable for
two reasons: one, it don't meet the needs of the YOUTH in that
community but rather adults that want to stay youth members; and two,
those adults will probably go off to college and only associate with
that Post on their weekends and holidays from school.
I have two other ideas instead. If you really want them registered as
Explorers, have them register as Explorers at the college or
university where they will be attending. Carroll Hale and "Griz"
can tell you about the collegate Scouter post at Eastern Kentucky and
Howard Neilson and "Riz" can tell you about the APO post at the
University of Pennsylvania. Both are great programs for those
"Assistant Scoutmasters" that want to continue to do "youth things"
(personally, I don't really think that they want to do youth things at
age 18 or 19, but I think rather the unit wants them to do 'youth
The other idea is as Frank stated, KEEP THEM IN THE TROOP as Assistant
Scoutmasters and dual-register them as Explorers (if they wish to) for
the Exploring advancement program only. That way, when they are home
on weekends, they can continue to work with the Troop and the Troop
has a ready "stand-by" pool of adult leaders that know the unit and
the youth. And of course, they can earn the Exploring Acheivement
Award until they turn 21.
>This accomplished two things. First and formost it
>keeps them on the Council books as a YOUTH (*) (real important to the Pros
>as far as numbers go), and second, it provides the Exploring structure for
>them to participate in, with all it's added incentives to stay active in
That Exploring structure won't mean anything to them if all they are
doing is Scouting activities. I would rather have a Post composed of
youth members that are interested in a particular field than to have a
Post made of "holding bodies" that are really doing stuff with the
>(*) Youth are counted as far as registration numbers go, Adults are NOT
>counted as far as the numbers game... keep them youth as long as possible.
Adults ARE counted for local Council purposes, but only those adults
registered as District/Council Scouters.
GOOD professionals will have a game plan on getting "replacement
youth" in their Districts to take the place of those that are
"graduating" from Scout Troops or Varsity Teams. (I did!) This plan is
coordinated with the volunteers on the District's
Membership/Relationships Committee and in particular the District's
membership sub-committee to insure that it will work in the overall
(it's also coordinated in the case of Exploring, with either the
Exploring sub-committee of the Program Committee or with the Council
Staff Member and volunteer Exploring staff. WE ALL HATE "new units
for new units' sake, because we can be assured that those "new units"
will become "dropped units" in a very short period of time because
there was no interest there in the first place for the unit among the
chartered partner organization, the unit leaders, or the youth!)
Mike L. Walton
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