Re: BSA composition
Settummanque, the blackeagle (WALTOML@WKUVX1.BITNET)
Tue, 6 Apr 1993 12:23:53 CDT
Mike....great explaination on the Varsity/Venture program...let me see
if I can add to this and make it a little more clearer to Gino and
Michael Rogero Brown <michaelb@SUNRISE.CSE.FAU.EDU> writes:
>> > Varsity Scouts 55,765 Varsity 17,422
>> > Explorers 351,119 Exploring 76,974
>> > Career Awareness
>> > Explorers (CAE)731,658 CAE 10,326
>> > Lone Cub/Scouts 334 District/Council/
>Let me see if I can explain this.
>> What are "Varsity Scouts"? I never saw them mentioned here or on rec.scouting
Gino, there are TWO Varsity Scout programs. One is done in the Troop.
Those members are still considered Troop members for counting purposes
but yet may do Varsity-type activities as Mike explained below with
the Troop or outside the Troop. ( we also count our Venture Scouts in
the same way)
>Varsity Scouts are a new (about 10 years or so) division within the Boy Scout
>division. They deal with older boys (14-18) and are organized into Team/Squads
>instead of Troop/Patrol. Instead of a Scoutmaster, they have a Coach.
>They still do everything 'regular' Boy Scouts do (ie rank advancement, etc),
>but there is more of an inphasis on 'high-adventure' and service then in
>regular Boy Scout troops, plus since they don't have to 'deal' with younger
>scouts (11-13), they are not 'held back' so to speak from certain challenges.
Two small notes...Varsity Scouts are about 15 years old now. The age
for Varsity is between 13-15 (Ventures are between 15-18).
>They should not be confused with the 'Varsity' "older-boy" program that
>exists in Boy Scout troops. There is some debate on why Varsity Scouts were
>formed. Some feel it was done to keep older scouts in the program somehow,
>others feel it was to attrach older boys who had never been in Scouting and
>didn't want to have to deal with younger scouts. While the program may be
>popular & successful in some areas, I know in my council it never really worked
>All the Varsity Scout Teams were formed by older boys spliting off from their
>troops. When there was no influx of new members, these teams eventually died.
Great points...I could argue either side, but I don't really see the
need for the program even though I served as a Coach for almost two
years. A good Explorer Post or a Scout Troop would meet those needs
just as well, IMO.
>> Also, what is the difference between Explorers and CAE?
>CAE are just a division with Explorers. Explorer Posts usually choice some
>speciallity, ie Health Career, High Adventure, Sea Exploring, etc. CAE is
>a new idea were a Post will focuse on a specific career so that high school
>students can find out more about it. It has apparently been very successful.
How about this. "Traditional" Explorers specialize in one of over 113
areas (most of them coincide with a Boy Scout Merit Badge...like
medicine, communications, American Business, skiing, etc. There are
groupings of those specialities (presently there are nine). Law
Enforcement Exploring is the largest speciality in "traditional"
Exploring, followed by Outdoor Exploring. What you may have read about
"general-interest" Explorer Posts are simply Explorer Posts with no
definate speciality and the membership dicates what interests will be
"explored" each month.
Career Awareness Exploring is a type of "general-interest" (or what we
call now "varied-interest" Explorer post that is formed at local High
or Vocational Schools and operate on school time as opposed to after
school with most other Posts and Ships. In CAE, various specialities
school with the case of most "traditional" Posts. Each month, a
different speciality will be "explored" as the result of a survey
taken by the membership in advance of the first meeting. The
officers of the Post merely invite, introduce and evaluate the
presentations. The advisors, which MUST include a member of the school
staff, do the same things that teachers would do for a presentation to
the entire school. CAE Explorers can also participate in overnight
activities, local Council/Regional activities and events and even vote
for the National officers of Exploring.
(okay...it's a way for local Councils to tap into the local school
systems, rack up impressive numbers of Explorers for SME/FOS purposes
and to hope that one or two will "spin off" into traditional Posts.
It is VERY personnel-intensive (you have to have eventually a person
that will administer this program the right way, and really it calls
for two professionals and a paraprofessional for every five schools!)
and my feeling is that it caused more headache for the school than it
does if the school just had a series of career presentations without
>> Lastly, who are lone scouts?
>In the US, if a boy wants to joins Scouting, but there is no near by troop/pack
>then he can be a "Lone Boy Scout" or a "Lone Cub Scout". (realize that there
>are many areas in the US that are sparcly populated).
Now change the "US" to "world" and you got the idea. Most Lone Scouts
and Cub Scouts are outside of the USA and are members of the Direct
Service Council in areas of the world with only one other US family
around (embassies, among other places).
>Basically they do
>Scouting on their own with an adult designated as a 'councilor'. Instead of
>being in a unit, he is a lone scout and wears a special patch in place of
>the unit number.
>Lone Scouting actually has a long and distinquished history. Lone Scouting
>was started as a separate orgainization, the Lone Scouts of America, founded
>in 1915? by William Boyce, who had helped form the BSA. The LSA had its own
>unique ranks, or degrees as they were called, working up to "Supreme Scout".
>There were Lone Scout Units back then and many boys were members of both the
>LSA & BSA. Later the LSA was merged into the BSA, which kept the orginial
>degrees for 5-10 years before getting rid of them. I know many LSA members
>were very proud of their membership.
Great! As the BSA became the prime youth organization for youth
nationally, the BSA retained the Lone Scout Plan (as it was called)
for rural and urban youth that could not get to a Troop or Pack and in
places where there were less than six youth members to form a Patrol
or Den (the BSA insists that you MUST have six or more youth members
in order to form a unit). In those cases, the Lone Scout Plan
allowed those youth to start or continue Scouting. Part of each
Executive's responsibilities was and still is to look into and talk
with each Lone Scout. I had a Lone Scout in a remote part of eastern
Kentucky, where the nearest Scout Troop was nine miles over the
mountain or 45 miles around the mountain to the community. Another
Lone Scout lived in a community four mountains from the school where
he went to. Rather than to endure a three-hour ride each week, the
Lone Scout program allowed him to work on Star.
There are other, more extreme cases of Scouts being literally hours
from the nearest town where a Scout Troop *may* be meeting,
particularily in our mid-west and desert southwest. But with the
advent of communication, there are very few Lone Scouts left within
the USA and more outside the States in other countries.
During the National Scout Jamboree, the Lone Scout Association gets
together all past Lone Scouts and Scouters. It will be held in
connection with the Direct Service Council's reunion on the fifth
day of the Jamboree.
Mike L. Walton
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