Re: "Eve" and young men...
Settummanque, the blackeagle (WALTOML@WKUVX1.BITNET)
Mon, 5 Apr 1993 01:35:45 CDT
Adrian "Griz" Grisanti (BSAGRIZ@EKU) writes:
(some deleted only to save space....good summary, Griz!~ )
> The bottom line is that scouts are leaving at the 15-18 range.
>They are almost non-exsistant at the 18-21. Yes, anyone can quote numbers
>and give me some stat saying that there are many scouts at that age. But,
>are they active? Probably not. They are just numbers, if they are even that.
So, I won't quote numbers, but we *do* have several thousand Scouts in
our program at that age range. But, as you stated, most of them are
NOT what we would define as "active" Scouts or Explorers.
>The "period" I was just in was the puagatory of scouting 18-21 The OA considers
>you a youth. Exploring a youth. Scouting an adult, yet you can not hold many
>top positions. For instance I could not make the Dir. of Field Service in
>this council believe you could council a merit badge at 18. He insisted that
>it was 21. So until 3 months ago (when I turned 21) it did not matter what
>the National rule was.
That was *that* Director of Field Service's interpretion of the rule
then, believe me. In other Councils (and in particular, the ones on
either side, north, east, south or west of yours, Scouters 18-21 DID
serve as Merit Badge Counsellors as recently as last year.....but hey,
in that Council, the Director of Field Services had the final say on
advancement issues, because he was the professional staff person
advising the Advancement committee of that Council. Unfortunate, but
> So far all I have is talk. Here is what should be done to combat
>this problem. Many of you have said scouts have become inactive at the troop
>but continued to be involved with OA. So OA have a good thing going. Look
>at the age range First class to 21. What if you took and combined weblows
>and scouts. Would a 7yr old cub have anything in common with a 17 yr old
>scout. NO. You can now say that these scouts could provide leadership and work
>for the younger ones. But, these scouts are here to have fun and particapate
>in the program not provide it. We need to break these kids up. National has
>almost done it. But, they are too stuck on the good ol' days. If yoy messed
>with the same old program some one might have to do some work. (The why not
>is another story) Lets make a new program where you learn the basics from
>9-15yrs and then move up to to more mature level and more chalenging from
>16-21 this would also include females.
It was hard to follow, but I get the gist of your comment. The BSA HAS
come up with two programs, Varsity and Venture, that meets the needs
of the older Scout yet allows him to continue on the trail toward
Eagle if he sees the trail winding that high. Varsity is for Scouts
13-15 and Venture for Scouts 15-18. They can be part of (a patrol of)
the Troop, or in Varsity's case ONLY, become a separate program.
(Venture cannot do that, because that's what we have Explorer posts
and ships for!)
Both programs can include females as associates--NOT REGISTERED--of
the members of the unit. ONLY EXPLORER POSTS CAN HAVE FEMALE MEMBERS!
Both programs have been field tested and *do* work given a opportunity
to do so. There are limitations to both, and I won't go into that now
but leave that for a separate posting.
Exploring (as you know) has ALWAYS been a way for older youth to
become involved and do activities and events with females and develop
their own program of emphasis. Outdoor Exploring is perhaps richer
for its traditions as the "oldest" part of the Exploring program.
Besides, what's wrong with those older helping out the younger?? Isn't
that a feature of ALL of our programs, whereby the senior of us stoops
down and pulls the juniors up to our level?? Think about the Rockwell
painting in which the Explorer reaches downward to take the hand of
the Scout and pulls him upward to the top...isn't that what Scouting
is *supposed* to be all about??
This would also cut out that limbo 18-21
>period. We must all get out of the dark ages! Kist are growing up mutch, mutch
>faster. The 15 yr. olds of today are not the same as 5 years ago, nor are
>they the same as the 15 yr. olds of 20 or 30 years ago. I tend to shy away
>from the paternity "eve" thing. No matter how much you watch kids if they
>want to do somthing the will find away. I have been involved with a Co-ed
>explorer group for some time, and we have never had a problem.
I agree there...I have been (as you know) Advisor for several
Explorer Posts and one Ship and in my long experience, you will find
out that if given so many restrictions and so much guidance, the
things that you *don't * know about are staggering. All you, me,
anyone whom works with this group can do is to advise (hence, the
title) and hope that they make the best decision possible. They may
and they may not...but that, too, is part of growing up.
There's nothing that we as Scouters can do about this problem. It is
as old as our program is. All we can do is to talk with the youth of
our units, advise them on what the "line" is, and trust them not to go
over that line. If they don't, fine, keep moving; if they did, well,
you have to deal with it as best as possible keeping in mind that we
are talking about people that very shortly, will be running (if not
already) their own lives and responsible to nobody else but
Mike L. Walton
Scouter et all.
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