Re: Coed Scouting, "eve", and other buzzwords
Settummanque, the blackeagle (WALTOML@WKUVX1.BITNET)
Mon, 5 Apr 1993 01:11:22 CDT
Sam Fairchild <SAMF@OHSTMVSA.BITNET> writes:
>Quotes below come from Michael Grier and Steve Souza:
>Key ideas alluded to from Paul Russell, his son's activities,
> and myself, Sam Fairchild:
>First, a positive message from our sponsor: the spirit of Scouting and
>the love of children:
> Everyone on this discussion group is doing the best they can
> to help young men grow up in what we (individually) believe
> is best for them. We try to keep ego out of the process to varying
> degrees of success.
> The richness of our postings to the discussion comes from our varied
> backgrounds: Cubbing, Boy Scouting, 4H, Girl Scouting, Exploring,
> adult leadership, and those other named activities I can't recall.
>Personal thanks go out to all who contribute positive, helpful
>experiences to us adult leaders.
>This particular leader (a Cubmaster of 14 months) needs all the help
>and experiences he can get. I was one of those cubs that got lost
>along the way (Dad and Mom moved too many times...).
>With your help and inspiration, the Pack Committee, Den Leaders, and I
>have revamped our Cub Program and it appears we are flooding the
>neighborhood Troop with new members! (yes, Kathy, the Buckeye district
>Scout Executives have also helped, as well as the Roundtable Staff).
>I'm now looking into what Exploring can offer as a program to help
>balance out my son's experiences in Boy Scouting, when he gets there.
>> >So, the moral of this LONG (perhaps too long) tale... lack of attendence
>> >isn't due to distractions, it is due to a poor program. Gentleman, begin
>> >your flaming... these are my views, and I am prepared to defend them.
>As a netter from 'way back, :-) I appreciate the subtle humor in this
>imaginative closing! I have every confidence that our maturity will
>win out and keep the warm glow going for Scouting's betterment.
>(intended pun ;-)
>> looking for flames, may I suggest you seek a campfire at Seven Mountains
>> Scout Camp (a bit south of State College on 322). (Of course, any nearby
>> campfire would do!!)
>> Jim Sleezer, recent departure from Juniata Valley Council.
>Great idea, Jim!
>Challenge: how to inspire, channel, grow, utilize, and otherwise derive
>societal benefits from all the *energy* that "teenagers" have??
>Anecdotal stories and priciples behind such will be appreciated.
>What is considered "Reasonable" efforts to "save" those boys who get
>lost along the way (knowing we cannot save all of them)?
There are several things that I did as a Scoutmaster and later as a
Varsity Coach to keep the older boys in my unit. Some of them have
already been discussed here, so I won't waste bandwith with some of
PROGRAM. We have already talked about that. Program means a lot to the
15-17 year old Scout.
LEADERSHIP. We have "trained" and "groomed" the 15-17 year old,
telling him when he was 13-14 that "someday, you will be the leaders
of this Troop and this community" and then when they get there, we
fail to give them a challenge. Your 16-17 year olds can serve as
JASMs. Your 15 year olds can do Scoutmaster-assigned projects in your
(wanna GREAT "SCOUTMASTER-APPROVED project?" Go with your 15-16 year
old to the City Council meeting, or your local planning/zoning
commission meeting or your Board of Education. Arrange it early to
have this Scout to serve on a committee of that board...and watch them
wheels turn and grind!!!!!! Many cities, trying to get input from the
youth of the community, many times rely on the local schools for the
"youth". Head 'em off at the pass, by offering a Scout...with ALL of
this leadership experience. At Greenwood High, TWO Scouts sit on the
schools' "community resource" committee, a committee mandated by our
State's educational reform act. They got there because a great
Scoutmaster saw that the school was having problems getting parents to
attend or participate!)
SERVICE. We have told these guys that service is really important to
Scouting and to Scouts. How about appointing one of those guys to
serve as the Troop's "liasion" to some community agency and instead of
attending those "boring, long silly meetings" that he's to attend this
other organization's meetings (and that to insure that he gets credit
for attendance, work out a plan with that other agency that when he
don't show, that you are contacted!). He don't have to attend in
Scout uniform, and that once a month, he reports to the Troop on what
the other group's activities are and how the Troop can help out.
I had two Scouts on a "exchange" like is, one to attend the local Girl
Scout Service Area meeting (because his girl was one of the Caddette
leaders and she had to be there too!), and the other to attend the
local Protestant Men of the Chapel (PMOC) at the church that he
attended. Both came back to our Troop with great ideas for things to
help out with. And get this...both Terry and Steve actually "fought"
with our Troop's committee to get support for "their project".
Both Scouts, by the way, were 15 (nope...Steve was almost 16, because
the Girl Scouts threw him a party when he turned 16!), and both were
PROJECT DEVELOPMENT: Most of these Scouts are in the area where they
need to start or can help other Scouts to start on their Eagle Service
Project. (this is something we talked about earlier)
Yeah..yeah..I can talk endlessly about Exploring and the new Varsity
programs, but I'm like you (placing Scoutmaster hat on) I WANT MY
SCOUTS TO STAY in MY UNIT! So, these things and others that I'm sure
that others can piggy-back onto, are the answers you are seeking, Sam!
>What are some of the best ways to keep parents in touch with Scouting?
TALK WITH THEM. Don't wait for the quarterly Court of Honor...go to
them and talk with them about their son's performance in the Troop. In
my Varsity Team, I made appointments to go and talk with each of the
twelve boys in my Team once each four months. I would bring a calendar
of what they wanted to do, what local and national activities are
going on that we could participate in, and sat and listened to them as
they told me about what they expected from the program.
I found out a great deal from those visits....among them that the
information flow from child to parent is not good at all....that
sometimes the parent "thought" we had a activity and we did not (which
I am sure that it lead to great discussions between parent and child
later!)...that they thought that this Varsity thing is like a sports
team and NOTHING connected to Scouting (where WERE these people when
they signed the application and paid the money???)...and lots more!
SEND THEM NOTES THROUGH THE LOCAL PAPER. Don't rely on the "taking of
the paper home" deal...give a copy to your local community paper and
ask them to please place it in the community pages. This will not only
give your unit some good PR, but also will inform your parents of
MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE YOUR PHONE NUMBER AND ADDRESS. One evening
while I was in Germany, I got a visit from the parents of one of my
older boys. They had my address but they misplaced my phone numbers
(and since I lived outside of the military housing area, my civilian
phone number was not available readily to them). They wanted to
simply ask my opinion on his behavior. Actually, I think in looking
back, was that they wanted to talk with someone else that have
observed his behavior and wanted to compare stragies for correcting
"bad behavior" ("Hey, look Marta, all I had to do was drag Pete off to
a corner and ask him "Is this Scout-like behavior?" and he would go
back and be a lot better.")
Sometimes, parents just need to be patted on the back and told that
they've raised a great kid. Football and baseball coaches do that all
of the time....so, why can't we do the same thing??
Hope that those things helps some, Sam! Sorry that it was a late
Mike L. Walton
former Scoutmaster, Varsity Coach, Explorer Advisor
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