Re: "Eve" and young men...
Settummanque, the blackeagle (WALTOML@WKUVX1.BITNET)
Mon, 5 Apr 1993 00:31:03 CDT
Rick Clements <rickcl@POGO.WV.TEK.COM> writes:
>}From: "Dr. Steven C. Myers" <R1SCM%AKRONVM.BITNET@ricevm1.rice.edu>
>}(2) with Webelos aged 10.5 and new scouts (11-12) always showing up,
>}how can the needs of the new scouts be balanced with the needs of the
>When I was a Scout, the older boys moved off to Explorer posts. The Explorers
>were just older Boy Scouts, so they could do more things. When I got to that
>age, Explorers changed and the general interset posts stated going away.
Rick, first off (as our President would say every time he answers a
question!), you are confusing the old "Explorer Crew" program with the
"general-interest" Explorer Posts that are still here and about!
The "Explorer Crew" (the concept for the Venture Crew, not Patrol!) is
as you described below. They functioned as part of the Troop, yet had
independent activities on their own.
"General-Interest" (now called "Varied-Interest") Posts are Explorer
Posts with their own chartered partner organization and leadership.
Thy also have girls as members of the Posts and are NOT just "outdoor"
in nature...they as the subject suggests, rely on the interest of each
member in the development of the program of the Post. In this way,
there are nine programs corresponding to nine youth members in the
>My understanding is the Venture patrols are now intended to take the place of
>the old general interest Explorer posts. My idea of how this works (I'm still
>an Asst. Cubmaster, so reality hasn't set in yet. :-)) is an ASM would work
>with the older boys. They could then plan activites that are more chalanging.
>For example, they might backpack from Portland (Mt. Hood actually) to Canada
>along the Pacific Crest Trail.
You have a great understanding of the program. Within a Troop, a
Varsity Team AND a Venture Crew could be organized, depending on the
number of youth members and their ages. Each would be led in the
Troop by a youth Team Captain or a Crew Chief with several/one
assistants as needed. The adult ASSISTANT SCOUTMASTERS (to give those
other "two" Assistants that the BSA insisted that we have...three
Assistant Scoutmasters) would then serve as advisors to the groups.
The Venture Crew would as you stated, go from Mt. Hood to Canada, for
example; while the Varsity Team could do the same except perhaps from
Portland to Mt. Hood and back.
The ONLY differences between the two are the scope of the activities
(longer than two weeks for Venture; about a week for Varsity) and the
age range of the two groups.
NEITHER is (and I feel personally that the BSA missed the boat on
this!) an acceptable substitute for good programming on the part of
the youth members and the adult members of the Troop. While you can
"load up" on the "special opportunities" for older Scouts, they won't
stick around long enough to take advantage of it without the proper
grounding--and that comes from PROGRAM, not from anything else.
Instead of giving us Varsity and Venture to play around with, the
BSA's program team needed to give the Scoutmasters more tools to do a
better job with programming!
Mike L. Walton
former Scoutmaster and Varsity Team Coach
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