Steve Souza (76703.633@COMPUSERVE.COM)
Sat, 3 Apr 1993 08:30:28 EST
Sb: Steve Sou[z]a "not a flame" remarks
quoting From: E. C. HALE ARTHALE%EKU.BITNET@ricevm1.rice.edu
> Steve Sousa:
> I would have responded to your remarks privately if I were able. However,
> I cannot access compuserve from my account.
Thanks for the reply, and I actually prefer rebuttal in public since it's
more on the up-and-up anyway.
1) My name is spelled souZa not souSa (small point, and purely a family
history issue I know <g>).
2) You and anyone else on the list sure can access CompuServe from your
account(s) and are welcome to reply to me privately via the Internet to my
CompuServe account, and yes it's easy to do.
I received several very (positive) private replies to my post to you in
fact. To address private mail to anyone on CompuServe via tha internet,
simply use their CIS account number and substitute a period "." for the
comma "," in their account number... the correct address for private mail to
me would be:
It works every time.
> FIRST: I hope you recognize this as humor.
> A POEM TO STEVE
> If the message you sent wasn't a flame
> And public relations is your game
> Look in the classifieds, 'way in the back
> 'Cause you need a new job, driving a hack!
Good play on words <g> (or did you realize a PR person is also refered to as
a "hack"... (I presume you ment it as a cab, but I like the way it turned
> You will see that I clearly referred to boy scouts, NOT explorers.
No I understood you ment Boy Scouts and not Exploring... that's why I made
the point I did. I see far less danger of social/romance problems in Scouts
than I do in Explorers, and I've seen none in our Council in many years in
> As to what society I inhabit; it's the good old "I'm gonna sue" U.S.A.
I was actually more concerned about the microcosm of your community. I don't
see a lot of legal actions or problems in our area. I've worked with all
aspects of Scouting from the unit & District level to the Council level
(maybe Region next?) and we have had zero actual suits here in the last 8
years that I know of... we did have two restraining orders (related to a
divorce situation) and one threatened suit (that was resolved when calmer
heads prevailed), but that's it.
I suppose some areas are more prone to that than others (?).
> However, another local post recently was nearly denied its sponsorship
> because of a boyfriend/girlfriend problem.
By the Chartering Org. or by the Council? Sounds interesting if you'd like
to discuss it sometime.
> I hope you didn't mean it the way I understand it, but I bitterly resent
> the implication of your statement "...that you're worried about this, at
> the expense of establishing a quality program for our youth..."
I was not suggesting that you don't strive for a quality program, on the
contrary I was making the (sometimes unpopular) inference that there are
programs that are being provided for Scouts today that could be of much
higher quality and reach far more youth if they were co-ed programs.
All the other WSO Programs in other countries have some or all of their
Scouting programs co-ed, including the last two holdouts (other than the US)
of the UK (officially changed two years ago) and Canada ("officially"
changed this year, though they had Provinces already co-ed several years
ago), and none report a drop in quality or membership because of it.
In fact the Territorial Leaders I have worked with in the NWT in Canada have
raved about how much better they are able to serve youth since they went
co-ed, as do the Leaders in the UK I communicate with weekly.
All that to explain... my comment was intended to convey the message that
the avoidance of co-ed Scout Troops in BSA can in fact be preventing us from
having the best quality we are able to have in our programs... ergo my
statement, ..."at the expense of establishing a quality program for our
I hope my comments are more clear, and you understand I was not talking
about YOU, but rather the PROGRAM and the IDEAS you were presenting. As long
as we discuss each others ideas, and not the 'persons' involved, our
messages will not become personal flames, and can instead continue to be the
sharing of diverse ideas and concepts.
Yours In Scouting, -steve-
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