Re: New Socks
Settummanque, the blackeagle (WALTOML@WKUVX1.BITNET)
Fri, 2 Apr 1993 11:35:59 CST
Jim Sleezer <JHS8@OSUVM1.BITNET> writes:
>I just had one of our older Scouts tell me that the new socks are to be
>worn pushed down. Seems that he had been to a summer camp staff training
>session and got that word. As I look at the catalog pictures, they don't
>seem to be "pushed down." Do I detect a local variation? Can anyone
>quote book, page and line from national?
Better than that, Jim. Because I've also seen that picture (and
wondered out aloud if this was the "new trend", I called the guy
responsible for the yearly catalogues that are sent (as well as
anything else written from the Supply Division!). His name is Vince
Howard, and he's the Associate National Director of the Supply
Division (retail sales), BSA.
After we both laughed, he stated several facts that have direct
reference to several recent postings here:
SOCKS: First off, the day that they photographed the socks, they got
a pair that was TOO LARGE for the Scout illustrated to wear. Seems
that they were on some sort of deadline and had to get the picture in
that day. Next, the Scouts were walking down the lane (a-la what many
Scouts and Scouters will be doing during the Jamboree!) and naturally,
the socks fell as they walked!!
There are NO MORE of the OLD SOCKS left at Supply. They sold them ALL
and there's presently no chance that they will change back to the old
ones. BTW, you may wear EITHER during the Jamboree, since the BSA
allows for a two-year "changeover period" between old items and
(personal note: if ANYONE can get me five pair of the old socks, I
would be happy to pay the postage and costs. Jessiann tried yesterday
to order them for me, and they're all gone!)
UNIFORMS: Once again, local Councils have been sent a HOTLINE
reminding them of the BSA's policy on uniforms. This is that EACH UNIT
may decide to wear the "old" (green khahi) or the new "tan" uniforms,
with or without beret, or baseball hat or neckerchief by UNIT WISHES.
The uniform for all national events will remain the TAN uniform (the
current one) and the uniform for all volunteers and professionals
SHOULD be the current one (but Vince conceeded that personal tastes
and the event dictates what uniform a person wears). Council/Scout
Executives still have the final say on neckerchiefs and uniforming for
its volunteers and professional staffs. Whatever uniform is worn,
however, Vince stressed that it CANNOT be MIXED AND MATCHED with
current uniform items. Finally, the JAMBOREE uniform is the field
uniform illustrated and NOT the activity uniform!!
(personal note: they WILL have the activity uniform for sale during
the Jamboree at the three trading posts!)
CSPs: The NEW CSP flyer is out and should have lots of local Council
Shoulder Patches that were made for Councils that have folded or
merged. They are sold "at cost", which means that you should get a
great price on them IF THEY ARE AVAILABLE. They created the new flyer
in time for trading during the Jamboree.
(I was then transferred to Jamboree Operations, where I could not get
an answer on Don's note about "the patch police". I was then
transferred to the National Eagle Scout Service)
T.J. Van Houten, the National Director of the Boy Scout Program
Division and now the Director of Advancement and Conservation
Programs (see...they ARE streamlining already!) was not in..but his
admin assistant Renna (remember her...she's the lady that had problems
like we did with the Eagle Palms???) restated the BSA's position (and
stated that they DID get my letter of last fall about the
changes...and as Kathie suggested, that the Scoutmaster Fundamentals
training course booklet ALSO contains references to this fact) about
the wearing of Eagle Palms upon the Eagle Scout Square Knot.
Scouters may wear their Eagle Palms in two places, one on the ribbon
of the Eagle Scout Badge itself during FORMAL occasions and informally
upon the center of the Eagle Scout square knot. If A Scouter has
received the Distinguished Eagle Award, he moves the palms to one or
the other side or does not wear them.
( I was then transferred to Camping and Engineering where I asked for
an update of the national Council map from one of the engineers. It
should be available for local Councils in the late part of next month,
as promised. They don't plan on releasing them until after the
National Meeting in May, however.)
Hope that this does answer all of the really *important* questions
this morning....I have really enjoyed sleeping in this morning and
hearing my kids as they play downstairs. Now, it's lunchtime and I've
got to meet Jessiann and then finally go and pick up a client and
>BTW, we conducted a uniform inspection tonight--unannounced--and awarded
>one of my duplicate CSPs (Council Shoulder Patch) to the one in the most
>proper uniform. During announcements I commented that "all I have to add
>is that I have a few more patches in my pocket." Uniforms have never been
>all that great since I arrived here last summer, but tonight I heard some
>of the scouts talking about getting patches in the right place when they got
>home. A fairly new (three meetings) Scout was the best uniformed. Afterward
>he stopped by to say "Thanks, that's a really nice patch." Made me glad I
>skipped the district committee meeting!!
Jim...that sounds like a really great way to increase uniforming. I've
done that before, but it was always planned out that I would "stop by"
and do it...I too, get a lot of "gezz-ol', you have ALL of the badges,
don't you?" when I show up and take off my jacket (it's kinda like
turning from "mild-mannered 'unknown man' to something (info man??)"
when I get there. I bring LOTS of those little plastic "backings" and
grade according to the Uniform Inspection sheet.
I don't leave a patch (because I don't have a lot of patches, or I
would!), but instead I do give out special certificates that I've made
a while back to those that exceed 80 percent and I add one of those
old Scouting/USA stickers to those that score 95 or better!
but...I've never done one unannounced...you gave me a great idea!
Mike L. Walton
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