Re: BSA Provessionals & Volunteers
Settummanque, the blackeagle (WALTOML@WKUVX1.BITNET)
Tue, 30 Mar 1993 11:18:57 CST
"Kathy Chormicle" <kchormi@EIS.CALSTATE.EDU> writes:
>On Mon, 29 Mar 1993, Gino Lucrezi wrote:
>> I have seen many roles in BSA are held by professionals.
>> What kind of roles are usually held by pros?
>> Are they usually former volunteers? Do they work full time? Are they paid
>> more/less/the same than comparable jobs in other offices?
>> How many are there?
> I am a Senior District Executive with the Ventura County Council, BSA in
>California. I have been a professional for over 3 1/2 years. Yesterday,
>all the professionals had a televised meeting with the Chief Scout
>Executive, Gere Radcliffe. As of the first of the year, there are over
>3300 professionals and by 1995, they estimate the need for around 3600.
>There has been up to 4000 pros, but the BSA is reducing staff. There over
>4.6 million Tiger Cubs, Cub Scouts, Boy Scouts and Explorers in the United
Thanks for the new figures, Kathy. The DE here went to the
teleconference yesterday, but I haven't seen him or heard from him
since last Wednesday, when I was asking for updated membership
Where are they going to place that new staff??? With Councils
consolidating and merging, I don't see where we are going to place
300 more professionals except at the National and Regional offices.
That comes out to one new professional for every Council just about,
> In my council, the ratio of pro to Scouts is 1 to 1000 Boy Scouts. The
>leaders do not really count. In the past, I have been responsible for 1900
>Cub Scouts, Boy Scouts and Explorers with over 700 voluteer Adults.
>At times, working 70-80 hours a week becoming totally overwelmed.
Emotionally draining!! 1 to 1000??? WOW!!!!!!!!!! 1-730 is bad
> All pros that are hired in the BSA are college graduates and have to go
>through a very intense interview process. Before I was hired, I was asked
>65 tape-recorded questions. Those questions were then analyzed to see if I
>could do the job of a pro. This process included 4 in depth interviews in a
>4 month time frame.
What Kathy is talking about is the interview conducted using items
developed by Selection Research Inc (or SRI). The SRI method consists
of a tape-recorded face-to-face interview with the senior hiring
professional trained in the technique. There are set questions and a
set outline used for this interview, designed to bring out "listened
for" responses. The completed interview determines the approximate
level of success a candidate would have if hired. (It's a GREAT
>Most new pros know nothing about Scouting. Sad, huh.
It *is* sad, Kathy. In the "good old days", our professional cadre
came from the senior volunteer ranks or are Eagles and Silver (the old
Exploring award) holders or both. We as volunteers had a great deal
of confidence in those professionals because they "walked at least a
mile in our shoes" before becoming administrators. However, as the
BSA became more of a corporate entity and less of a service venture,
the level and previous background of the field professional became
less and less and at one time (during the early 70s) we were hiring
just about anyone that wanted to work. We paid that price when those
professionals left within the first two years of service and
volunteers starting responding by "bad-mouthing" the professional
service and start wanting to do more of the admin stuff for
>Yet we learn. I depend upon all my volunteers, as they are the best
>resources. I do not know everything about Scouting and hope that I never
>do. My volunteers ARE the Boy Scouts of America. I am just here to help
>and assist that program.
I agree with you. There are many of our fellow professionals that
want the program to center around you....but then, those are the ones
that leave the profession within months.
>The starting pay scale is around $22,000 across the
>USA. Salaries are not regionally adjusted. For example, in California
>the new DE (District Executive) makes the same salary as the DE in North
Not true, Kathy! In the Southern Region's Area Six, the salary range
for new professionals range from a $16,9K in a predominately rural
Council (this one), to 18,2K in a mostly suburban Council (both
Lexington and Paducah) to 19,9 in both Louisville and Nashville
(Louisville is a little more, depending on District served); to 21,4K
in Cincinnati (which is NOT in the Southern Region, but half of the
Council lays in Kentucky). All of those figures have been verified by
fulltime "newbies" in those Councils (nice to know that you have
friends all over the state! *hehehe*).
I am sure that the same differences in salary for newbies are also
found in other areas of the country.
What lots of Councils do, however, is "sweeten the pot" by including
the usage of a leased car, or paying the house payment on an apartment
or house for some professionals. However, I still stand on my
previous statement that even 22,9K is TOO SMALL a salary for the
services that field professionals provide to the movement and to the
youth of their communities.
Thanks for the updated information....and the professional/youth
membership figures...I am confident that the Chief Scout Executive
will make the program even more so better than it was, and the
national teleconference is a great start!!!
Mike L. Walton
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