Re: Knot Insignia
Settummanque, the blackeagle (WALTOML@WKUVX1.BITNET)
Fri, 26 Mar 1993 19:58:54 CST
"Kathie Cerveny" <kathie@DELTA.EECS.NWU.EDU> writes:
>> Not to throw more wood on the fire, but I have another question about
>> insignia . The knots that one wears abouve the left shirt pocket, the
>> represent other medals/awards/ranks/etc. so that everything is represented
>> without having to wear all the medals/etc. on your shirt.
>> I've heard that you cannot wear BOTH the knot and the award it represents.
>> Example, I have three knots: Eagle, Arrow of Light, and Religious Knot.
>> When I go to regular meetings, I only wear the knots. But on "special"
>> occasions (Eagle presentation, banquets, etc.) I like to wear the Eagle and
>> Religious medals.
>> OK, here's the question. Do I have to take the knots off if I want to wear
>> the medals?
>WEARING MEDALS AND EMBROIDERED KNOTS: (Insignia Control, pg. 44)
>Only FICE medals may be worn at a time pinned in a single row immediately above
> the seam of the left pocket. Knots are worn above the left pocket in rows of
> three. The order of wearing of medals and knots is at the discretion of the
>(ed. for the first few years I was in BSA program, all knots had to be a
> certain order -- so when you earned a new one, all of the ones you had had to
> be moved and resewn).
>It is suggested that the medal or knot deemed most important by the wearer be
> worn on his/her own right. Embroidered knots are representative of pin-on
> medals or around-the-neck awards and are designed for greater convenience of
> the wearer. In the case of th Award of Merit and Professional training Award,
> the knot is the only wearable insignia. ......
You are reading from a elder insignia guide, since the newer
Distinguished Commissioner Award also does not have a wearable
>For the past 20 years, our training manuals have stated that if you wear your
> medals (no more than 5) pin them on directly over the knots, thus totally
> covering the knots. You may only wear one or the other.
Where does it state that the medals are worn OVER the square knots,
Kathie?? Please point this out, as I've been over seventeen
publications and they ALL state that the medals are worn immediately
above the left pocket flap and no more than five.
For example, here's the exact wording Mark, on where the Eagle Badge
is placed when worn formally (p.238, SM Handbook):
"Eagle Award. Worn pinned centered JUST ABOVE the left breast
uniform pocket flap seam. This badge is worn only on formal
Two pages later, on page 243, is the Scouter's Training Award and Key
shown and the caption states that they are "worn over the left breast
pocket, pinned JUST ABOVE THE SEAM, by Scouter who have met the
Using that rule of thumb, your square knots can still be seen.
Once more, since it seemed that my point did not come across: The
reason for being for the square knot insignia is to make it easier for
Scouts and Scouters to be recognized for service and achievement in
NON-FORMAL OCCASIONS (like at the Jamboree or at unit meetings). They
represent the medal, certificate, jacket patch, medallion or plaque
associated with the award itself. When at a formal occasion, good
Scouting "uniforming" allows for the wearing of FIVE (not seven, not
eight or six, but only FIVE) medals across the chest (why five?? the
original medals were small enought to fit across the chest easily with
some space left. The present medals make five across kinda hard to
do!) and they are all worn IN A ROW pinned IMMEDIATELY ABOVE THE LEFT
POCKET SEAM. A formal occasion in BSA parlance is a Court of Honor,
an District or Council awards dinner or something similar in scope. IT
is left to the wearer how many neck-pendant type awards he or she
(how did we get back to knots, anyways??? Oh yeah..Eagle and the
Religious Awards together, and with the knots...sure....you can do
that. It's permitted!)
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