Re: velcro for Don
Settummanque, the blackeagle (WALTOML@WKUVX1.BITNET)
Fri, 26 Mar 1993 12:43:09 CST
Let's see if we can clear the confusion you and several others have
about this patch bees-ness:
"Nathan Brindle" <NBRINDLE@INDYCMS.BITNET> writes:
>I've been following this insignia discussion with great interest and not
>a little apprehension. (I am a terrible sempstor.) Am I to conclude from
>what I have read over the last couple of days that:
>1. Completing Scoutmastership Fundamentals does not qualify me to wear
> the Trained patch with my OA Chapter Advisor patch?
Nope. You have to complete the OA Advisor course which is usually done
at the Lodge or Sectional level. Now if you are a Scoutmaster or an
Assistant Scoutmaster, you would be able to wear a SM or ASM patch
with the TRAINED strip at the bottom. Sections hold the course for
Advisors each spring at Sectional training conferences or your Lodge
may hold a course conducted by the Lodge Lay Advisor during the year.
Your Lodge's call here....
>2. As a member of the District Committee I should wear that patch to
> Roundtable, as an ASM should wear that patch to troop meetings, and
> as OA advisor should wear that patch to chapter and lodge functions?
Nope. You may choose whichever position is more important to you and
wear that patch. If you choose to have others to "recognize" you as
the Chapter OA Lay Advisor, then by all means wear that patch. If you
choose to be "known" as a member of the District's committee, wear
that patch instead. Or, if you are like me and want people to know
you as a primary Scouter (assistant Scoutmaster or in my case, Varsity
Coach), then wear that patch....but *unless you have Velcro (as
indicated in some other postings)*, DON'T WEAR ALL THREE!
>This all seems too complicated to me. Most Scouters in our district, if
>not council, seem to be of the understanding that the Trained patch indicates
>completion of Scoutmastership Fundamentals. Granted that the patch doesn't
><specify> that, and apparently there used to be patches for that purpose,
>but if the National Office in its infinite (?) wisdom has decreed that a
>generic patch will serve all purposes, maybe they need to rethink that
Once again, I am at school (sitting beside my honies) so that I don't
have the EXACT resources handy. However, this is what I can remember
off the top of my head (or is it side or back??) that qualifies youth
and adults to wear the TRIANED strip:
Boy Scout YOUTH: Complete the training approviate to your
position (den chiefs complete the Den Chief Seminar;
troop leaders participate in the Troop Operations
Varsity YOUTH: Complete the Varsity Youth Leader course and
the option according to your position
Exploring YOUTH: Complete the Explorer Operations Workshop with
your Advisor or through a local Council.
Cub Scout ADULTS: Complete Cub Leader Basic.
(with approviate sessions to your position)
Boy Scout SM/ASMs: Complete Scoutmaster Fundamentals (no
Boy Scout ADULTS: Complete either Scoutmaster Fundamentals or
the Troop Committee Seminar offered through local
Varsity ADULTS: Complete Varsity Leader Basic and the
follow-on options according to your position or the
Troop Committee Seminar offered through local Councils
Exploring ADULTS: Complete Explorer Leader Basic and the
approviate follow-on sessions according to yourm
position (there is currently being developed a Post
Committee Seminar, and when this is released, local
Councils can offer this to Post Committee members in
lieu of the Council Exploring Seminar.)
Commissioners: Completion of Commissioner Basic.
ADULTS: Completion of training courses approviate to
your position (for instance, OA Chapter Advisors or
District Committee members attend training courses
for that particular role.)
Professionals: Completion of National Executive Institute
Sessions I, II and III including the tenure interview.
(Please, someone else fill in the places where my mind forgot!!)
>Perhaps it <really> ought to be YOU DON'T WEAR THE POSITION PATCH UNLESS
>YOU'RE TRAINED IN THE POSITION.
In that case, Nathan, we would have a position patch called
"Registered Scouter" and about 46% of us would be wearing one. That
"registered Scouter" don't tell WHAT we do and WHO we are in the
movement (the reason for their being).
I just advanced the theory that we (the
>district) should require ALL new SM's, ASM's, and Unit Committee members
>to take Scoutmastership Fundamentals within a year of joining the troop.
>Everyone thought that was a pretty good idea but had no thoughts on how
>to implement it. (Remember that I am from a troop where the adults think
>that a) they don't need BSA training, and if they absolutely have to have
>it, b) they can do it for themselves.) (Also remember that I am a bad
>boy who took 6 years between sessions 1 and 2 of Scoutmastership
>Fundamentals....:)....which was partly because of health and partly because
>To recap: This all sounds too durn complicated for me.
I can summarize this into four *short sentences* if you like:
1) Every job in Scouting is important, and therefore there are
positional patches available for them to wear.
2) Every job in Scouting is important, and therefore there is an need
for the person holding the job to be trained in the basics of the job.
3) Every job in Scouting is important, and therefore we (the BSA) have
developed a way to recognize those whom took the time to be trained
(the TRAINED strip).
4) Every job in Scouting is important.
Mike L. Walton
National Exploring Instructor
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