RE: Trained patch vote
Settummanque, the blackeagle (WALTOML@WKUVX1.BITNET)
Wed, 24 Mar 1993 12:02:15 CST
> I have said this before, and it comes as close as I get to being pithy:
> I refuse to wear a "Trained" patch. If one can't tell that I am
> trained by my abilities, they can by the Training Award and Key knots.
Just because we *both* wear square knots, Troye, does NOT mean that we
have taken the CURRENT training for that position that we hold. For
instance, I wear the Scouters' Key with several devises. That does NOT
make me trained in my current role as a Assistant Council
Commissioner (projected, not actual); nor does that make me trained as
a Varsity Scout Coach (and nope, I don't hold the Key as a Coach!).
The knots are designed to show your *achievement and service* and not
training. Even the training awards are more service and tenure
oriented than they are "training" oriented.
> Also, I'm still worked up in a snit because of the demise of the highly
> desirable fully embroidered position patches. If National was losing
> money selling these patches, why didn't they raise the price?
National raised the price THREE times, from $.90 in 1974 to $1.25 in
1976 to the last $2.25 in 1980 (the last year that the BSA would allow
them to be sold at full retail). In all three cases, it was NOT the
fact that they were not selling--beleive me, they were being sold!!
The problem was that the patch became a collector's item and many
Scouters wanted to hold the position long enough to get trained (and
then to "earn the patch") and then to move onward. There were
situations whereby volunteers (and professionals!) would stay in a
role for only six or seven months, and then move onward to a new
There was a case where a professional was so movitated toward earning
the fully embrodered DE patch that he basically "ran over" everyone
to meet the goals to earn the patch!! Surely you can see that
SOMETHING needed to be done...the BSA in my opioion took the easiest
road out and just canned the whole idea.
THE IDEA IS SOUND!! The intent of the new designed patches and the
fully threaded patches was to IMMEDIATELY identify those Scouts and
Scouters in leadership roles; and to further recognize them for their
attendance at BASIC courses to get them trained in their leadership
> I heard that
> a bunch of volunteers wanted the trained patches back, however I haven't
> met any of these volunteers. How does everybody else feel about this?
I would love to see them come back with several *catches* to them.
One *catch* would be that the Scout or Scouter would have to serve at
least one year (six months for Scouts) in the role before he or she
would be eligible to purchase the patches. Two, that there would be a
limit of FOUR such patches per person per position, and this could be
controlled simply by cutting the corner (a-la "totum chip card
corners") off of the training card. Finally, that only those that
have the card ON THEIR PERSON could purchase or receive the patches.
I've sent a note about that back in 1982 to the National Insignia
Committee of the BSA, but I got back a reply that stated that although
my ideas were good, it was the committee's recommendation that the BSA
discontinue the program.
> I'm curious - if you wish to vote, but don't want to clutter up the list
> with a simple yea or nay, please send your vote to the bitnet or internet
> address that is listed at the top of this note. A week from now I will
> post the tabulated results.
> Is there an address at National to send insignia comments too? I would
> appreciate it if someone would post it, and would appreciate it more if
> those with strong opinions would let National know how we feel. I'm not
> asking to get rid of the trained patch (as long as I don't have to wear it),
> I just want the fully embroidered mylar patches back!
The address is : National Uniform/Insignia Committee
BSA National Office
(BSA national office address!)
I say again....YES, but with several *stars* to them!
Mike L. Walton
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