RE: Religious awards (how to turn in)
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Wed, 3 Feb 1993 18:23:48 CST
>While we're on the subject of awards (again), I have a question
>regarding 'credit' for religious awards, both adult and cub.
>We have an adult who is to be awarded a "Religion and Youth" award
>from his denomination and his son has earned his award also. They
>both will have nice medals and a certificate that they have earned
>the award. I checked with our service center about how to turn
>that information in so that they can wear the knots. I was told
>that there was no special form for that and it didn't need to be
>on the advancement sheet since it isn't an earned rank, just buy the
>knots and wear them. Somehow that doesn't seem right. Doesn't BSA
>keep up with that information? I wouldn't think they'd like people
>waltzing in off the street buying uniform insignia which must be
Your Council Service Center is correct. There is NO FORM to be
completed to purchase the square knots for the youth or adult
religious awards. The BSA does not keep up with that information
since technically, those are NOT BSA awards, but rather "special
awards in harmony with the purposes of the BSA" and allowed to be worn
on the uniforms. Not to say, though, that the BSA wouldn't like to
keep up with award reciepients!
This has been a sore point with the National Insignia Committee since
when I was honored to be a youth member in the late 70s. The problem
is of verification. Currently there are 27 different groups that can
award youth, adult or a combination of both awards to wear on the
uniform. The BSA has set up relationships with all 27, yet there
exists no "uniform" way that those religious bodies send the BSA lists
of people that have receieved their awards. For example, the National
Catholic Commission on Scouting has a listing of ALL of their St.
George Awards, because this award is conferred by the national body.
The Bronze Pelican Awards, on the other hand, is conferred by the
archidiesces (sp) and there exists no national "roster". The same
holds for the Ad Altare Dei or the Pope Pius XII awards, awards that
local Councils keep on hand for years and years.
In 1981, the BSA wanted all religious emblems to be added to
advancement reports but could not get the Catholic, Baptists (a new
group at that time) or the LDS church to tell their lay leaders to do
that. All three groups have asserted that this is NOT a BSA award
(true), but rather a special award presented by the Church to Scouts
and Scouters for achievement and service. In 1985, the BSA once again
polled all religious bodies to gain their committment to placing those
awards on BSA advancement or other reports, but again, were not
FYI, the religious awards are not the ONLY things not reportable. The
various special awards (interpreter strips, 50-Miler, Historic Trails,
BSA Lifeguard and the Varsity Letter) are NOT reportable items, nor
are other special awards like the Exploring proficiencuy awards or the
I think that Don stated this earlier that in some things, the BSA
counts on the "trustworthiness" of their Scouts and Scouters in some
areas and the Religious awards is one area.
>I'm sure Mike or Kathie will have the answer on this one;
>it's just a matter of who will be first.
(*laughter*) Was this a race ?? I feel that Kathie will have the
same answer that I would, but probably from a larger Council's
standpoint. (* thanks for the confidence, at least in my opinions and
information, though! *)
>(Note: these awards were earned
>directly through the denomination's awards program for scouts, not the
>generic PRAY packets available at the service center, if that makes a
The PRAY (I forgot what it stood for, but it's a group out of Kansas
City that handled inquiries for the Protestant religious awards
programs) had applications that required the Scout Executive to sign
it, but in most cases, local Councils don't get a copy of the
My advice: Do what I did, and send the local Council Registrar a copy
of the award certificate and ask that it be placed in the unit's file.
My God and Country certificate is still in the unit file of the Troop
that I earned it in; the Bronze Pelican and Shofar Awards are in the
Council's record for the units that I've served as Scoutmaster of.
That way, if the person wants to get additional knots or other items
(that may come up in the future), they can refer the local council
personnel to the local council and unit in which the awards were
conferred on. The local Council maintains those records for ALL units
in their councils.
Hope that that helped, Jim!
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