Re: Canadian scouts OFFICIALY co-ed!!!
Stuart Fell (COHELP1@UVVM.UVIC.CA)
Thu, 3 Dec 1992 22:08:34 PST
On Thu, 3 Dec 1992 08:24:12 -0500 <kt6@PRISM.GATECH.EDU> said:
>> "We're not the BOY Scouts of Canada anymore, We're SCOUTS Canada,"
>> said John Rietveld, Scouts Canada executive director of communications.
>> Rietvel said Canada was influenced by Scouts organizations in Europe and
>> Austrailia, which also allow girls to join. BOY SCOUTS in the USA remain
>> and exclusively male preserve.
>>************************************ end of article ************************
>> This is new to me, from a practicle point, I had "observed" co-ed units from
>> Canada for some time. Emblems and scout items have used SCOUTS Canada for
Canada was only CO-ED from Venturers (14-17) on. Beavers, Cubs, and Scouts
were NOT co-ed (at least officially) before that above announcement. Now
girls are officially welcome in all our sections. IT's up to the individual
group as to whether they remain all male or go co-ed in Beavers-Scouts.
>> So how long for BSA? Anyone want to start a pool?
Based on what I've heard/read, I think starting a pool would be a little
premature yet. Unless some court rulings start coming down, I imagine it
will be a few years yet before even any serious consideration of girls being
admitted into BSA...
> As an Eagle Scout and adult scouter I would first like to say that
>I support BSA's policy of only admitting male youth into the Cub and Boy
Why should boys and girls be kept separate? Based on the behavior of
some BSA members at international events (such as being the ones hanging
around the shower stations trying to catch a peek, etc.) I think it might
help if they started interacting more at a younger age...
It shouldn't mean redesigning the scouting program to admit girls in. The only
change that would affect my troop would be that of logistics. We'd need a
female leader and have to ensure that there would be separate sleeping
arrangments at the overnight activities.
> In the case of the United States, I believe that because there
>currently exists a program for female youth in the Girl Scouts of America,
>that the BSA should not consider modifying there existing policy. I also
>believe proposals to modify BSA's existing policy to go co-ed should not be
>submitted by third parties because the Girl Scouts of America exists to
>meet these needs.
Just because there is a girl program existing,so what?? Does it mean that
all girls want to be a part of it? Does it mean that it meets their
interests, etc?? I don't know anything about the the American equivalent
of our Girl Guides in Canada, but I know of a fair amount
of dissatisfaction by a reasonable number of girls with our girl guide
> Keep in mind the the explorer program exists for various carrer
>oriented groups and does admit female youth.
> In Canada's case I do'nt believe the transformation should have
>happended. Mainly because the Canadian Equivalent to Girl Scouts are the
>Girl Guides, and always
>have been. Scouts Canada has allowed male/female Venturer Companies, and
>Rover Crews for some time.
So Canada shouldn't have gone co-ed in the lower age sections all because
an organization called "Girl Guides" exists?? I personally know or have met
a number of girls who find that the Girl Guide program is not what they
want or have enough to keep them interested, while what they see their
brother or friend's brother doing in Scouting does interest them. The
most frequent complaint I hear is that they spend too much time with
sewing, etc. when they want to be doing more of the outdoors stuff.
Don't get me wrong, I have heard of some girl guide groups that do do a fair
bit of outdoors stuff. However I hear about far more groups that don't
do enough in the outdoors stuff or think that they can do Advanced campcraft
by camping out in their leader's back yard and focus more on the stuff like
sewing, etc. This is the 90's. The roles of men and women are changing.
The line between them isn't as defined as it was 20 or so years ago...
> In my opinion the BSA should never voluntarily change there policy.
> It would have to be a Supreme Court ruling. And if this happens then it
>should be accross the board. Examples: All girls schools/colleges must
>admitt boys, all boys schools/colleges must admitt girls, sororities
>should admit males, fraternities should admit females, womens clubs should
>admit males, mens clubs should admit females, etc.
So BSA should wait for everyone else to change before they should?? Why
not voluntarily change the policy?? Is there any problem with developing
and growing?? Or should Scouting stay in the dark ages?? Should it not
develop and change with the times??
All I can say is that I've seen co-ed groups working with the lower age
groups and I fully support it. If all goes well, come next Sept, my
troop will be co-ed in all age sections and not just Venturers...
6th Cedar Hill Scout Troop
Victoria, BC Canada
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City