Re: Service Stars
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Thu, 19 Nov 1992 12:32:52 CST
"Kathie Cerveny" <kathie@DELTA.EECS.NWU.EDU> writes:
>Ok guys - here are the facts on Service Stars -- ( and I have never met a
>man yet who did not enjoy standing up for the countdown in a annual dinner,
>etc. to find the person with the longest tenure as a registered person (boy
>and adult) in BSA. But -- we girls who could not join until 1972 when they
>let girls into Exploring -- are never allowed to count our "girl" years in
>GSA, so will never be the winner of any such count down.
Kathie...I AM ONE OF THOSE!!! I feel that it's a cheap attempt by the
professional staff to "get to those that have been around the
longest!" I don't participate in it.....I just sit passively by!
Kathie's reference, by the way, is the BSA Insignia Guide:
>" 1. Service stars may be worn by all youth and adult members who have AT
>LEAST ONE YEAR of tenure with the Boy Scouts of America. The stars are
>worn with the appropriate color backgroung for the phase of Scouting the
>service was rendered. If an individual's PRIMARY registration is is in one
>phase of Scouting and later in another, separate stars with the appropriate
>background and numerals may be worn simultaneously. Or, leaders may
>combine youth and adult tenure into a single star with blude background.
>2. If a medal or embroidered knot is worn, service stars are worn 3/8 inch
>above the medal of knot, above the LEFT pocket."
That's fine...that's great...but who determines where the "one year"
starts?? Is it ONE YEAR SINCE REGISTRATION (in other words, I register
with the local Council on 1 Jan; each successive 1 Jan is one more
year) OR ONE YEAR SINCE LAST RECHARTERING (the Council recharters in
August, therefore I "lose" a half of a year's tenure)???
>The answers therein are:
>A. Your PRIMARY registrtion. The position in which you pay your
>registration. However, this also means that "multiple" registrations (no
>fee paid, just multipled into a position) do not earn you service star
Again, this is dependent upon the Council and it's reading of the
"policy" (the statement from the Insignia Guide). Some Councils dual
and triple register you (and pay the registration fees) as a multiple
therefore, you are "entitled" to wear multiple stars with blue
backgrounds??? Nope...don't work that way. You can only get credit
for ONE YEAR'S WORTH OF TENURE, no matter how many jobs you have or
the number of times you are registered or even the number of units
that you are registered at.
>B. Since you are entitled to wear a star for "at least 1 year of tenure in
>BSA" this means that you must successful complete registration in one year
>increments, i.e. 1, 2, 3, years, etc.
>Training teams (and manuals) will tell you that you should change on your
>personal anniversary date, however, most units do indeed use the Blue &
>Gold or February Court of Honor as the all over date.
This as some have already mentioned, "cheats" some Scouts (and
Scouters) out of recognition for being in the unit longer than the
anniversary date. The training manuals are _correct_, and EVERYONE
SHOULD BE RECOGNIZED ON THE ANNIVERSARY OF THEIR REGISTRATION DATE
(in my case, Jan 1).
>C. "with the appropriate background" means that a star is never worn
>without a color background. In order to do this one needs to know the
>colors and what they stand for:
I keep onhand for Scout Shows and Scout-O-Ramas and other high-vis
events two sets of green and yellow "backings". As I find Scouts and
Cubs that "have lost their backings", I ask their permission to give
them the approviate color backing for their service star and in many
cases re-place the star(s) in the approviate location on the uniform.
I have NEVER had a Scout or Cub (or parent of Cub or Scout) to turn
down the offer.
I HAVE been asked to "mind my own business" by several adults when I
offered them the same backings for their "old" year pins.
There are no more stars without a number in the center of them. ALL
service stars are worn with a number shown (1 or better). Therefore,
as Kathie mentioned and as shown below, the approviate "backing" is
>All service stars are worn above the left pocket.
If one is worn, it should be centered three-pennies* above the left
pocket seam. If two (or more) are worn, they both (all) should be centered
five-pennies above the seam with at least four-pennies* between each.
>1. Orange Background, No. 5295 - Tiger Cub service
>2. Gold Background, NO. 5297 - Cub Scout service
>3. Green Background, No. 5300 - Boy Scout service
>4. Brown Background, No. 5287 - Varsity Scout service
>5. Red Background, No. 5299 - Explorer service
Service stars are also available with the number "10", "20", "30" etc.
so that adults may wish to (as I have done) wear the fewest number of
service stars with the approviate backing (for me, it is the number
"10" followed by the number "7" for 17 years of adult service, all
worn with BLUE backings).
>Hope this helps. And, yes, the more recognition the better. That is, in
>fact, why the "February" anniversary (that of BSA) has been offered as a
>good time to distribute and recognize service time. That way ALL boys and
>ALL adults are at least recognized.
WRONG! Scouting's anniversary date is SCOUTING'S anniversary, not the
one-year mark for all members. You give out the service stars when
the person is eligible to wear them, not as a "show up prize" for
everyone present. The old standby "THANKS" pin (BSA #109) or the
small universal Scouting pin (BSA #114) are more approviate to present
to Scouters that have been with the unit since the last rechartering
but has not quite made it to THEIR one-year mark.
There are better (and cheaper) ways to recognize EVERYONE for their
attachment with the Boy Scouts of America than to give out a .80 pin
to each and everyone, especially when more than half of the adults
will place it in their pockets and forget about it until it has been
washed and dryed several times....
* oh you're wondering about the "pennies" measurements. When I was a
WEBELOS Den Leader, the issue of measurement came up in our discussion
and work for the Engineer acitivity badge. I mentioned that when I
was a Scout, one of the requirements we had to do for First Class was
to know our personal measurements and to measure some object without
the aid of sliderules, rulers and calculators (the latter was
something expensive and new at the time, to which my four said "You're
THAT OLD, Mike??" (thanks, kid....). It required knowledge of math
and science, to which teachers thank the BSA for (then, that is...).
I learned in school that a penny is 1/16 of a inch thick. By taking
two, four, eight, or sixteen pennies and stacking them, I could
approxiamate the size of small objects. So, three pennies= 3/16 of a
inch and close enough to what the BSA says they should be above the
seam (or above the square knot top seam) (3/8th of a inch). And four
pennies, or 1/4 of a inch, is the distance between the two backings.
Scouts can remember that a lot easier than "3/8th above..."
To which one of my WEBELOS, later a Scout, pointed at me and told
another Scout, "He taught us math, and I HATE MATH!"
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