Re: New Troop Standards
Mark Wilson x6386 (mwilson@POLARIS.ORL.MMC.COM)
Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:04:35 EST
> From: Bob <UCAS402%UNLVM.BITNET@ricevm1.rice.edu>
> . . . So last week, after having
> the DE discuss it with us, I got the Pack Committee to make a motion to
> have the DE ask the Chartering Unit to charter a Troop.
Why have the DE do this? And where was the COR during this discussion? I'm
not trying to pick on you, there are others out there who could benefit as
well. You have a direct channel to the chartering organization called the
chartered organization representative (COR). You really need to make use of
this person, especially when you intend to discuss asking to form another unit.
> For the first couple years Troop 29 will probably be run under the current
> Pack Committee.
I would suggest that the troop committee be made up of parents of boys in the
troop and interested members of the chartered organization. The unit committee
needs to act in the best interests of the unit, not juggle the best interests
of two units with sometimes competing priorities. There may be some overlap.
There often is between "brother units." You also need to keep in mind that
the business of running a troop and running a pack are different. Trying to do
both with one group will be a trying task at best.
> We want to set up the new troop to work closely with us and to be
> well integrated with the pack, . . .
The troop and the pack should have a good working relationship. It should not
integrated with the pack. Boy Scouting is not an extention of Cubbing. Cubbing
is a part of a progression that leads to Boy Scouting. In the pack/troop
relationship the pack provides boys prepared to become Scouts and the troop
provides assistance to the pack in the form of Den Chiefs and a liason with the
Webelos dens. This doesn't preclude occasional joint functions (pack and troop
go together on a parade float for example).
> It will also allow for support of supplies (tents
> especially as we have a lot of equipment from the old troop)
The pack owns nothing. Troops own nothing. Any equipment the pack or troop has
technically belongs to the Chartered Organization. They can reallocate it as
they see fit. I bring this up to maintain a specific frame of mind. We all too
often forget that the Chartered Organization OWNS the unit. They, not the unit
committee, were granted a license to use the Scouting program. Their Scouting
units are an extention of their youth program, not autonomous entities. Bottom
line - the assets could be made available to the troop with or without the
> In any case I'd like to set some standards, particular to our troop.
This should be left to the troop committee, not the pack Cubmaster or committee.
> * Having a high adventure outing at least every other year.
This is program. It is also a great place to point out the difference between
Cubs and Boy Scouts. Troop program come from the boys. The PLC presents their
plans and ideas to the Scoutmaster for approval. The Scoutmaster informs the
committee of the plans so they can prepare logistical support as needed. It's
actually a little more complicated than that. The point is, in Cubbing the
Cubmaster with the committee determines the pack program. In Boy Scouts, the
boys decide what they want to do with the advise and consent of the Scoutmaster.
What the boys want may not fit in our nice little plans, but it is THEIR troop
In closing, let me recommend that you (and any others interested in the troop
program) attend the next available Scoutmastership Fundamentals course in your
area. SMF is as essential for anyone who works with a troop as Cub Leader Basic
Training is for those working with packs. You should also secure and read the
SM Handbook and Troop Committee Guidebook as soon as possible.
You should also talk to other Scoutmasters in the area to make sure that
there really is room for another troop. DE's are notorious for starting units
in areas that can't really support it, sometimes to the detriment of existing
units. The Scoutmasters can also enlighten you on various aspects of troop
operation as you get started. They might even give you a copy of their troop's
by-laws to use as a guide.
Good luck. I hope something I've written helps. I also hope everything works
out for you and your (soon) fledgling troop.
SM, Troop 565
CC, Pack 565
Eagle Class of '74
"I used to be an antelope . . ."
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City