RE: Recruiting into Explorers
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Tue, 17 Nov 1992 00:48:08 CST
"David D. Miller +49 6221 404415" <DDM@DHDIBM1.BITNET> writes:
(I deleted much of the reply since it explained the differences in
organizationa and communication that the Transatlantic Council (TAC)
has as opposed to many statedide Councils....Scouting is a different
program and ( according to many in and outside the TAC and Far East
Councils) if you want an example of how the programming end of
Scouting works, take a trip to Germany or Japan and see what can
happen with the Scouting programs!)
>Here in Heidelberg, the Troops work closely with the Posts, and
>consider Exploring as an extension of the Troop program, much as OA is.
>I think nothing of encouraging an older Scout, who's lost his place in
>the Troop (e.g., a retired SPL, close to Eagle, but unhappy as a JASM)
>to visit a Post and see what it has to offer.
In this situation, I would encourage him to continue with the Troop.
It seems to me, that the Scoutmaster is not giving this young man
opportunities to excel as Junior Assistant Scoutmaster. I had two
JASMs while serving as Scoutmaster...one was my WEBELOS Coordinator
and worked closely (and conducted three "crossover ceremonies") with
the single Pack that fed both mine and the other Troop in town. The
other JASM was the "Patrol Coordinator" and handled the Patrol
meetings which were done offline from the Troop meetings. I
considered both Havier and Peter as "assistant Scoutmasters" (one was
17 and the other 16), took them to Scout Leader Training and to
Roundtables, where Peter was tapped to serve on the Camporee Staff
twice, and any other place where I and the two adult Assistant
Scoutmasters went. This made their jobs "real", encouraged
commmunication between the youth and adult members (when I had to go
to the field on the same weekend as a major Troop event, it was Havier
that explained it clearer than I could to the boys at school why I
can't do it that weekend....I got a report from one of the other guys
that "Mike can't take us because of some stupid exercise that he can't
get out of, can't change and like, he's has to be with us when *we*
camp..he *has( to be with his people in the field there" (and there
are those that say that kids are NOT smart!)
That Scoutmaster should take a closer look at what the new
Scoutmasters' Handbook and other literature say what JASMs can do....
...and he should try to encorporate the JASMs into what the adult
leadership is doing....he won't be bored and he will begin to see
*leadership* on a newer, different scale.
>On the other hand, Venture and Varsity are inactive here.
WHY??? Those are natural programs designed as the old "leadership
corps" was designed, to KEEP OLDER BOYS IN THE TROOP ENVIROMENT and to
KEEP THEM ADVANCING TOWARD EAGLE.
The only critism I have about TAC is that it wants to stay with the
three established programs and very little else....I think if there
was a massive learning curve, which would start with educating ALL
Scouting leaders at the Berchestgarden Fall Training Conference and
Meeting, that the word would get back to try to start Varsity Teams as
opposed to Explorer Posts to run concurrently with the Troop's
program. Doing a coordinated Varsity program with the Troop is a
WHOLE LOT EASIER than trying to do it with the Exploring program and
the Scouting program. It *can* be done, but its a lot easier to do it
with the Varsity/Venture program, which is outdoor-based for the most
Short primer....there are two ways to organize a Varsity program but
only ONE way to organize a Venture program. Venture Crews can ONLY be
a part of a Troop organization and requires an additional ASM (NOT A
JASM, BUT A ASM!!) to serve as Assistant Scoutmaster-Venture and
supervise the program alongside the Scoutmaster. The Venture Crew
Leader becomes a member of the Troop's Patrol Leaders' Council and has
a say on Troop programming.
Varsity Teams can be organized as a SEPARATE UNIT (in which it could
also be chartered to the same organization that charters the Troop or
some other organization) which has its only youth and adult
leadership (the Scoutmaster equal is called Coach and he or she has
two Assistant Coaches; the youth elect a Captain and he can have a
Co-Captain or a Assistant Captain and if large enought, have two or
more Squad Leaders); or organized as PART OF THE TROOP (in which a
Assistant Scoutmaster--Varsity would be needed to supervise the
program, but not be called the Team Coach)...the Team could have a
Captain and Co-Captain or Assistant Captains but only ONE person (the
Team Captain) gets representation on the Troop's Patrol Leaders'
Council and has a say on the overall Troop's programming.
As you can see, David, the benefits of having separate programs for
the older boys in T26 is better served by using one or both of the
above programs. TAC has not wanted to promote Varsity or Venture
because it would rather organize a Explorer Post (which would only be
around as long as the boys (and girlfriends) want to do things
together. Most of the boys gravitate back to the Troop for most
outdoor events because they feel confortable there and "are the
seniors" there...then go back to the Post for more "adult-like"
adventures. If they were in a Varsity/Venture unit associated with
the Troop, not only would they be going on the Troop's events, but
will also get to plan and direct their own adventures (with girls as
associate members of the Team or Crew...they are NOT REGISTERED!)
>and OA are the two main programs for older kids. Troop 26 now has
>a glut of older boys and is looking at high-adventure Venture to hold
>them. That can only last as long as that Patrol remains intact: A
>new high-adventure Explorer Post would have a better chance of long-term
>survival as a unit.
Oooops...got ahead of myself...see note above!
>The overall target is to keep kids in the program, and at a certain
>age they are going to develop outside interests. If an Explorer Post
>can be one of those interests, so much the better. One of the Cadette
>Troops has a co-leader who's also an Explorer advisor, and if Exploring
>is the right 'next-step' for a girl after finishing her Silver Award,
>I'm not going to influence her decision.
No..that was not my intention either...but if a girl was interested in
Law Enforcement, I would steer her to the Law Enforcement Post. If she
was interested in camping and outdoor activities, I would steer her to
the Varsity or Venture program instead. BTW, most Venture programs
that the Western Region has been running (73% in 1990) have converted
to Exploring Posts or Ships as a result of girls' involvement...this
was one of the reasons why I feel that the BSA need to look closely at
this restriction on female youth members as the new Chief Scout
Executive comes in.
>My point is not to try to recruit from APO, but to use APO to recruit
>for you. Each year, as APO recruits, they'll get contacted by people
>who really want to find real Scouting, and not APO. Once APO realizes
>it's not going to get them, they may be happier to pass them on to a
>local Post or Ship. But they need your number first!
I take exception to this as a APO member, David. APO *does* a lot for
local units and many APO chapters are also Exploring Posts as well.
APO is *not* Scouting, it is a organization dedicated to Scouting's
priniciples of service, leadership and brotherhood. While many APO
chapters are in the "Scouting business", the majority are not and
could care less about where the local Scouting units are (my opinion
only). A person can find true happiness in both APO AND a Scouting
unit (right Scott Begin??) but only if the EMPHASIS is placed on
getting him or her into both APO AND SCOUTING.
APO chapters are more inclined to working with a unit as a whole as
opposed to individuals doing the "Scouting thing" on their own. Again
in a lot of chapters, they ARE chartered also as Exploring Posts (for
insurance reasons, mainly; but there are some that use Exploring as
that connectivity between the chapter and the local Council for
possible ways to be of service...), so the "Explorer Post" that you
hope APO will lead your wayward Scouts to would be THEIR Exploring
> (rest deleted)
>David D. Miller
>Scouting in Europe - A Unique Experience
Again, we Boy Scouters want to try to use Exploring as an additional
tool to keep our older boys...and it is NOT DESIGNED TODAY TO DO THAT!
The Venture and Varsity programs are designed for the older Boy
Scout and we should be trying to keep them in the Troop setting as
long as possible.
It's not that Exploring don't want the older Boy Scout...it's fact
that the older Boy Scout wants more of a challenge than what he's
getting from being around younger boys. He wants to be with girls and
see Exploring as the "only place where that can happen" until now.
He's not ready to look at a career...he's more enthralled with the
open air and the extended camping trips with the boys that he "grew up
with" in the Troop and their friends, male and female. He wants more
adventure. Exploring can offer some of that adventure but lacks the
organization of the Scout Troop and the outdoor skills of the adult
leadership can stifle lots of expectations.
Let 'em stay in Scouting for as long as possible. When they are ready
to explore a career, profession, or hobby, let them become Explorers
and *really* enjoy the total Exploring experience...without going back
and forth between Troop and Post!
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