RE: Survey??? Scouting??
David D. Miller +49 6221 404415 (DDM@DHDIBM1.BITNET)
Tue, 27 Oct 1992 11:12:58 CET
> Do we expand the entire Scouting program and admit girls uniformly??
YES. Ask the Canadians, Brits, Swiss, etc., and you'll find that it
can work. Just get rid of the 'B' from BSA and wait a few years.
There is very little in the program that needs expanding to meet the
needs of girls, and no change that wouldn't benefit the boys as well
in the long term.
The down side of this change would be that the Congressional Charter
might need a rewrite, and getting this done without opening the doors
to everyone with 7 dollars could be problematic. The UK Scout Assn.
did a rewrite of the Charter, and then took it to the Crown to be
approved: There was no debate.
> Or do we expand the intent of Cub Scouting to prepare boys for Boy
> Scouting and girls for Girl Scouting??
Could do. This is what happens in many countries around the world.
However, this scheme is nearly always based on a single Scouting
organization which decides to have separate programs: You would need
to merge BSA and GSUSA at National level first, then rewrite both
programs to accommodate the change. Only when each side recognizes
tenure and training gained on the other side will this work.
(And in GSUSA, some training can't be transferred from one Council to
> And what would be the impact upon the Girl Scouts if we took "all" (a
> large majority) of their Brownies and Juniors away from them??
Provided there was a clear upgrade path from Cubs to Boy Scouts for the
boys and from Cubs to Girl Scouts for the girls, neither side would be
unduly affected. Just accept that Daises, Brownies and Juniors wouldn't
be the only programs to change: by merging the two sides for the Cub age
group, the Cub ranks/levels would also need to be upgraded.
If BSA accepted girls as members at all ages, GSUSA would probably see a
slight drop in membership. But the hope would be that the total number
of girls in the two programs would increase with the change. How many
of your Cubs and Boy Scouts have sisters who are not Girl Scouts, but
who would be Scouts in a co-ed program?
A week or so ago, someone commented that a person can change (or gain) a
religion to join BSA, but, a person of a given race can't change that.
Similarly, there is no practical way that a girl can become a boy just so
that she can join BSA. Think about it.
On a side note, I just spent the weekend with some German kids: Cubs at
camp, followed by a group of older Scouts on a sleepover. Boys and
girls, working together with their tents, lighting a fire and cooking
a meal together. The sleepover was for the 15-18 age group, with a few
adults around. There was a corner for the girls, and a corner for the
boys, but most were scattered randomly across the middle of the floor,
each content in his or her own sleeping bag. All changing of clothes
was done either in the washrooms or inside sleeping bags. No problem.
(Incidentally, the minister of the church was also there. She didn't
see any problems either.)
Also of interest is the joint BSA/GSUSA work in the US Military
communities in Europe. I know of one High Adventure Explorer post where
all the girls are also a Troop of Senior Girl Scouts. Dual registration
and dual uniforms, but it lets them go off on their own when they want.
Apparently, it happened almost by accident: when the Post was formed, all
the Senior Girl Scouts turned up to find out about Exploring, as did their
leaders to investigate the threat to the GS Troop. A compromise was soon
In a different community, there are discussions at the moment about holding
Cub Scout and Girl Scout Day Camps at the same time in the same woods.
The present situation is to have the two camps in successive weeks, but
the dual-hatted leaders then spend 15 days non-stop camping. (And Cub Scout
Leader Woodbadge is the week before.) Most of the activities are the same,
and often done by the same people, and each of the two camps also has a
unit for the leftover children: a 'den' of girls at the Cub Camp, a Troop
of boys at the GS Camp, and a child-care area for both. It just needs a
little planning to sort out the scheduling of common activities and spaces.
David D. Miller
Scouting in Europe - A Unique Experience
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City