RE: Webelos Badge -- what does it mean?
Dr. Steven C. Myers (R1SCM@AKRONVM.BITNET)
Fri, 16 Oct 1992 15:57:24 EDT
This is a repost of a previous comment I made that I did not get past
the over crowded listserv. At least the two members of the list I asked
did not remember seeing it. I want to repost because I feel strongly
about the Webelos to Scout transition and wanted to get my $.02 in.
BTW, Mike, I am possibly converted by you latest on this - I was one who
kept everyone together so all could move into the troop at the same time, but
I realize that this might cause some to lose the scouting spark. HOWEVER,
I have two-three kids that would not have received their Arrow of Light
or crossed over into the troop unless I had held them all together.
On Wed, 14 Oct 1992 08:34:26 CST Sleezer, Jim said:
Actually Don first said:
>> I know from previous notes,
>> there is one other FORMER CUB SCOUT out there that earned the LION
>> badge, and knows of the W badge (PRE CORN COB)! I leave it up to
>> you to reveal your age (really old), AND YOUR WISDOM.
I received the LION and the Webelos (looked like Arrow of Light to me)
but I am not going to reveal my age, so there. BTW, got that Webelos
badge in 19__ - - - no just not going to... (Did get my Eagle in 68).
Now Jim said/asked::::
>I earned the Lion badge years ago, plus three arrow points under it. Then
>we earned the Arrow of Light in six months. Being an October birthday, I
>moved into a Scout troop in the fall.
>This reminds me of another question. At a recent roundtable, there was
>discussion about the transition from Webelos to Scout. Several leaders
>suggested that boys should not move so early (i.e., in the spring) and should
>not go to camp the first summer. I had always seen spring as the *best* time
>to move to Scouts. I'm sure this will be a topic for further discussion;
>do any of you have comments to share?
>Jim Sleezer, **looking forward to taking over RT in January**
I hate burying this comment this far into this note, but if you all
are still with me - - those expounding this drivel should be boiled
over a roaring flame on the next campout. (Why yes, it has been a bad
day - why do you ask? :-))
The WHOLE point of Webelos (the new program) is exactly what Mary Lee
pointed out in another post as WeBeLoS: Wolf, Bear, Lion and Scout -
it indicates a transition from cubs to scouts. Ok, maybe it scould read
as Tiger, Wolf, Bear, Webelos, Arrow of Light, but it is the same.
The point of Webelos is to prepare Cubs to be Boy Scouts. The activity
pins, which have gotten ignored here ARE the old Boy Scout skill awards
in many cases. Webelos are Boy Scouts in training. Let's take a
Cub doing crafts and games in a Den Leader's living room and suddenly
(because he is now 11) thrust him into a active troop which camps
every month and is totally boy led. Should scare the heck out of the
new scout. Webelos is the training ground. Through 18 months of
Webelos time (Please Don't try to tell me the two year Webelos program
means 2 calendar years because it doesn't), the Webelos are ready to
begin the process of being a Scout. Nothing, Nothing, Nothing is
better for a new boy scout than Summer Camp. Do you have to
work a little harder as a leader - sure, but just why are you in the
movement anyway? Besides haven't the New Scouts (that were Webelos)
been overnight camping with your troop while they were still Webelos?
This is why you want them to crossover in early Spring so they can
also overnight/weekend camp with the troop as new boy scouts 2 to 3
times before summer camp. The Webelos have also been to at least
one week long resident camp for Webelos scouts haven't they?
If you have some scoutmasters making complaints that the Webelos
aren't ready - -then ask the question WHY NOT? The scout troop
should be taking its Webelos on day hikes, providing Den Chiefs,
taking the Webelos on campouts, helping on the Pack committee, etc.
If the troop doesn't have a Pack, fine a Pack without a twin troop
and court the Webelos. This is one of the most important jobs in
Scouting - making sure the Webelos truly have an opportunity
to make it into a troop. Sew the seeds early if you want a harvest.
Another thing, when your scouts take the Webelos out, TREAT THEM LIKE
GOLD. Too many young potential scouts and future eagles are forever
turned off by the intimidation shown to them by the larger boy scouts.
It is the perception, not the reality which matters.
Need future leaders for the Troop? Make the Webelos experience better
for the boys and their parents and especially the Webelos Den Leader
and the Asst WDL will return the favor. Being a WDL is very hard.
The Pack doesn't understand how different your program is, the troop
ignore you as Cubs. Webelos is truly a transition inbetween and
neither Cub nor Boy Scout.
Shame on any and all Scoutmasters who ignore these fragile and vital
members of our movement. Tell them if they won;t treat the Webelos
in a top fashion, you will.
PS. My Webelos had 12 days and night of camping as Webelos. All 8
received the Arrow of Light, 6 are still in my troop, 1 is in another,
and of my six, four sit on the PLC.
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City