RE: Knots, one last time.
(no name) ((no email))
Thu, 8 Oct 1992 17:21:13 CDT
Thank you for your comments as well as the comments of everyone on the list
to my "open-ended" discussion of the Roundtable visit. I will NOT destropy
Jessiann's thunder on this topic (as Jon and several others have mentioned
and as I did a TERRIBLE job trying to discern the two apart), the REAL
topic of this thread was the willingness (or not) to welcome newcomers to
the Scouting program in a new community.
I will let her make her points, WITHOUT my hovering (I will be gone to talk
to Parents Without Partners tonight about Scouting...so I won't be around when
she composes herself to state her points).
I would however, like to close out this topic by first stating that I don't
have "hurt feelings" for the opinions expressed here about my choice of
uniforming options. That would be a waste of my and our collective times to
have me on one hand to defend what I wear and why and several others to say
"but mike, you *know* that's a wee bit extreme". There WERE some comments
that I would like to address here in the open forum about uniforming.
Adrian brought up a good point...to paraphase "I have more (knots) on than
most Scouters that have been in the program for years." Yes, I do. But
those knots I wear are NOT based on "years of service"; rather they represent
SPECIFIC achievements that I have been fortunate enough (as we discussed
before)...to be "in the right place at the right time". The wearing of
the square knots (representing a certificate, plaque, lapel pin or medal
that would normally be worn during FORMAL occassions) does NOT make you
an aged old man or woman. It DOES, IMHO, make you someone that have taken
advantage of the training that Scouting has offered you, put it to work for
a specified period of time and have been recognized BY YOUR PEERS for that
achievement or service.
Kathie stated that (and again I am paraphasing) that "she returned from a
event and immediately started to take those knots off her shirts"! Kathie,
I feel that you have done more harm than good to your Council's program.
Remember that as Council Commissioner, you *ARE* the example of good uniforming
and proper wear of your awards...the ones that YOU were presented from YOUR
COUNCIL for YOUR personal achievements and service to THEM. Would you
recommend having a Cubmaster to remove all of his or her knots after they
have spent 5-8 years working up from parent to Den Leader to Den Leader Coach
to Assistant Cubmaster to Cubmaster and have earned the approviate awards for
each position?? I would think not. Likewise, would you advise your Council
President to take his Silver Beaver and Silver Antelope awards along with his
District Award of Merit off his uniform because some Scouter out there *might*
be "a little upset that he has all of that and I don't" ?? Nope. I
encourge you to display those things that got you where you are...so that some
other flegling commissioner can look at you from her table at the rear of
the room and say "That's ME in another five years, God willing!"
There were other comments about the number of knots that I wear and why I
wear them all. Again, to make the point...I don't wear ALL of the knot emblems
I am SUPPOSED to wear. For example, I don't wear the SeaBadge emblem on my
Scout uniform...I wear it with the other Exploring awards on my Explorer green
shirt. I also don't wear the Scoutmaster's Award of Merit on my Scout shirt
because I received it as an afterthought way after my days of Scoutmastership
was over (*the Council backdated the award to the time that I left my Troop*).
I still have the backpatch and the certificate....I CHOSE not to wear it.
I *do* wear the Youth Leadership in America bar pin because it took so long to
earn it as a youth Post President. There are several other things I *could*
wear legally but choose not to because I don't. That's the real beauty of
our program...we can choose to wear or not what we like without the "patch
police" coming to take us away.
Don's comment about the "Jones'" (those wanting to match patch-for-patch what
I or someone like me has on) made me laugh, but folks, it is a reality. Our
game of Scouting is meant for the boys to enjoy, but some adults think that
its *their* game as well. When I go to a Court of Honor and see well-decorated
boys it reaffirms my faith in the program. I see that they got as much as
they want from the program. The Uniform and Insignia guidelines are designed
as much as possible with the boy/youth in mind, giving him/her the largest
amount of options of wearing insignia and leaving the narrow band to us adults.
I support that and as a former Commissioner, *do* go up to people that wear
those three and four Quality Unit patches and ask them if they knew that they
could only wear one. Most of the time (and I *do* mean most!), they really
did NOT know that such regulations existed (just like the ones that didn't
know that they couldn't wear the stars and bars (the Confederate flag)
instead of the US flag on the right shoulder.
Finally, thanks for your collective comments and offline notes as well. As
Jon stated, this discussion has gone a *lot* better than the hollering and
cussing on the other list about a couple of 1-inch patches and who can wear
them and whom cannot. If you don't know what I'm talking about, I encourage
you to (if you have access) look at rec.scouting and see their postings
about awards for the past couple of weeks.
Again, I'll let Jessica Ann (Jessiann) post her own notes about the other
topic which started this one...and I'll leave my comments about it to myself
since I maxed everyone's quota space with this topic.
P.S. We talked about this topic before in the spring, and some of you
remembered my discussion on why blacks are reluctant to be a part of
Scouting. I would like to renew that topic up at some other time because
I have new information.
P.S.S. I haven't forgotten the candidate's Scouting background. I am
waiting on the Bush campaign to provide the background. I have Clinton's
and Gore's and of course Ross Perot's. Nothing on his running mate. As
soon as I have them all, I'll post them.
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City