Re: Scouting for boys?
Don Izard (IZARD@UBVM.BITNET)
Tue, 11 Aug 1992 09:11:35 EDT
On Mon, 10 Aug 1992 14:50:30 CDT Kathie Cerveny said:
>..................Even with the ROVERS as a COED program,
>Sorry, Don, but BSA does NOT and never HAS HAD ROVERS. That is NOT one of
>our programs. We have the following:
>>>>>> IF you read my messasge, it was in reference to Canadian ROVERS, and
**believe it or NOT there are registered ROVER units in the USA!!!!!! Yes there
**are, I will leave it up to you to find the FACTS on WHY and WHERE!!!!
>Tiger Cubs - 1st grade boys
>Cub Scouts - 2,3,4, and 5 grade boys
>Boy Scouts - 6,7,8,9,10,11,12 - or until their 18th birthday
> (at that point, the boy may transfer his "boy" membership
> to the Assistant Scoutmaster position, but that is the ONLY
> position WITHIN a troop that he may hold until he is 21).
>Exploring - Coed - (unless specified differently by C.O., we have a few
>completely female units here in our council too) - 14 to 21st birthday.
>Venture Scouts - the older unit of a TROOP - age 14 - to 18th birthday
>Varsity Scouts - 14 to 18th birthday.
>........And the OA also considers a scout as a YOUTH til age 21, as far as
>holding office etc., so BSA has some conflicts in is our guidelines.
>A program developed for the over 18 years olds, may just not be cost effective?
> >>>>> IF there is NO CONFLICT --why can NOT youth over 18, one be elected
>*to the OA BUT can still hold YOUTH posititions! BUT NOT earn scout ranks????
>* seems like a significant CONFLICT to people in thise age groups!!!!!!!!!
>.---NO conflict, DON. Most boys over 18 are in college, maintain a
>registration is the college reserve (that IS a title for this group)
>and thus can maintain membership in an OA chapter and lodge. MOST boys
>find this is even more than they can handle while in school, but are able
>to participate on school vacations on conclaves, etc.
>> But it sounds to me like if it was career or LIFE skills oreinted
>> with some leadership developement thrown in, it would help BSA
>> retain future leasders, and help young adults grow as well. Maybe
>> BSA will catch up to the rest of the world in the future.
>> don i
>-----Actual stats show that we DO retain the boys pretty well, IF they stay
>through to 18. In fact, careers have been formed based on Exploring right
>and left --- it IS the way national has been aiming Exploring for years.
>BSA does NOT seem far behind to me! We train boys for survivial; practical
>and social skills -- we give them the opportunity to 1) register and work
>actively with a troop (which most boys do take as their option) 2) register
>in exploring until 21 3) register in the college reserve till 21 3) remain
>active in OA to 21.
*>WHICH SOCIAL SKILLS are we training BOYS for? My older son is 19, and has
*> been assigined as a ASM, and the only training he has been offered is
*> SCOUT leader training. And since he is also under 21, he can not be the
*> PRIMARY Adult leader, but can be the SECOND adult leader. . . HOW IS THAT
*> in the role of a scout???? College reserve is FINE for those NOT active,
*> but as an EAGLE SCOUT he has wanted to stay active, but does NOT really
*> want to be a leader yet. I would appreciate more specific details on
*> what advancement programs and training in social skills are available
*> for this age group, which by SCOUT guidelines seems to call them adults!
>I see NO conflict here -- OPEN YOU EYES ---- read your own regulations__
> talk to some real 19 year olds in SCOUTing and see what they are doing!
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City