Gina Gestautas (NORTH@DRYCAS.BITNET)
Wed, 5 Aug 1992 11:27:00 EDT
Maybe I am missing a point here.. but in all the talk here about how some
people thought an invitation only course was a way for the old timers to
keep certain people out I wanted to make sure we were all talking about the
We have been talking really about TWO Boy Scout Woodbadge (advanced training)
courses. I am NOT quoting from official material so please bear with me.
BOY SCOUT WOODBADGE - An advanced course recommended for leaders who have
had SLD training and are very interested in developing stronger
skills in the area of management (some people actually have gotten
their employers to pay for this course by presenting class descriptions
which DO explain how this course accomplishes this in BUSINESS terms.)
It is fully implemented though, in the context of Boy Scouting and
asks from its participants a commitment (to themselves and to scouting)
which they determine by the end of the course (your "ticket").
Many NEW and enthusiastic leaders get caught up and think this is just
more IN DEPTH training.. but in reality.. I think that its more
beneficial to people who have been in scouting for a bit and have some
perspective as to how things RUN and can then see in the course how
they SHOULD BE RUNNING.. not always the same thing. Not only that..
I believe the ONLY national requirements are BASIC TRAINING and
some TENURE... If a council is holding this course by INVITATION ONLY
they may simply be trying to make sure people comply with the above
two items.. but if they are using it to keep people out, then I believe
its wrong. (Tho maybe they are within their rights to do so).
CUB SCOUT WOODBADGE - I believe is OFTEN TIMES misunderstood by people who
have attended the course above (and also by other people who are
unaware of its mission). This course is ONLY for leaders that work
in the context of training (tho I am not sure if its limited to
CUB SCOUT leaders only). Usually the attendees are members of District
training teams and this course is held by INVITATION ONLY. SO......
this means that not just ANYONE interested in training can go.
But I believe that the main reason for the invitation only attitude is
this: For example.. the old TTT course (Train the Trainer) was
I believe also supposed to be for trainers only but at one course I
attended.. there were so many NEW and inexperienced leaders that NOTHING
much got done. SO MANY basic SCOUTING concepts had to be taught there
that we lost the FOCUS of the course.. to study better training methods,
NOT try to train NEW leaders (who were mostly NOT EVEN TRAINERS!!!)
what scouting was all about (basic training does that very well.)
A good analogy would be a pre-requesite for a college class on
advanced computing.. it would be foolish to allow ANYONE to register
since quickly most of the advanced students would get angry if a
professor had to spend ALOT of extra lecture time explaining BASIC
concepts to a beginning student (tho this would not apply to a beginning
student who did NOT disrupt lecture time and had permission from the
professor). In this context.. INVITATION ONLY.. benefits all concerned.
Anyway, sorry for the longish posting.. just wanted to make sure that we all
were talking about the two courses in the context of each course.. not on the
idea that ALL Woodbadge courses were by INVITATION only. I hope I did not
get the requirements confused, but I welcome any corrections or clarifications
to what I said. Thanks for listening.
Gina Gestautas "Teach each child as if he is your own...
[Amateur Everything] He may influence yours when they are grown."
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