Don Newcomb (newcomb@NAVO.NAVY.MIL)
Thu, 28 May 1992 15:38:13 CDT
Peter Van Houten <Peter_Van_Houten@SIMULACRUM.WV.TEK.COM> said:
>Mike -- Your description of the pack meeting sounds like you've got a real
>quality group and program. Good job!
>However, there was one item which caught my eye. You stated the following:
>> Awards are presented next, with the newbies forward first along with the
>> parents or other adults. Each new Cub is told about Cub Scouting and then
>> turned upside down while Ricky pins on the shiny new Bobcat Badge to each
>> and then turning each upside right, presenting them with the card and
>> cloth badge.
>The idea of turning a Cub Scout updside down is IMHO a form of Hazing which
>is not acceptable under the BSA guidelines. I've heard of where this
>happens regardless of the boy's wishes and is a frightful experience to some
>8 year olds. Unfortunately, once this type of 'Ceremony/Hazing' becomes a
>part of a pack it is something that the older boys look forward to; that is
>seeing a new boy turned upside down, and the pressure to keep it is very
>strong. I would urge you to reconsider your use of this type of ceremony in
>awarding the bobcat. The boy has worked hard for his badge and does not
>have to prove himself brave or have any sort of initiation in order to
This is one of two relatively innocuous rituals that I have seen. The other
is for the SM to hold out his RIGHT hand for the scout to shake when giving
out awards. If the scout takes it, the SM holds it up for everyone to see
that it is not a BSA handshake. I think one can look at any ritual as a form
of hazing if one wants to. When I graduated they MADE me dress up in funny
clothes and walk up on stage in front of thousands of people. I'm not sure
that I have fully recovered and it was almost 20 years ago. Perhaps I should
sue my alma mater. ;-) I will become concerned about flipping the Bobcats
when I see one of their heads fall off.
Oh! One more form of hazing. If a scout enters the mess hall wearing his
cap, someone will take remove it and drop it on the floor beside him.
Hazing. Hazing. Hazing...
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