Re: Morman Scouts
or blackeagle ("Settummanque)
Sat, 18 Apr 1992 15:08:00 EDT
To continue on Chris's comment about the OA and Vigil Honor:
In order to conduct a Vigil ceremony, there must be at least 50% of the
Vigil nominees as youth members....this prevents the Order Lodge to award
the Vigil Honor to only adults....no youth, no Vigil Honor in that Lodge.
I have been sitting here at my desk reading over 300 messages sent to me
this past week and wanted to spend a little bandwidth and say THANK YOU
to the many people that sent me good-luck messages or whom have assisted
Jessica and I during my job/school search in the Midwest. Finances and
timing prevented me from seeing many of you....but I do promise that I (we)
will be again making another trip west and will have the time to stop in
and talk/meet many of you. Again, your willingness to assist us is yet
another example of what Scouting is REALLY about....not raising money or
.....now that I am back here finally, I DO have several comments on posting
(s) that go back a couple of weeks and would like to start another topic.
Please, please bear with me on my long comments over the following week...
I do have a lot to say about many of the things that we have discussed here
and would like to add my two point five in as part of the discussions.
Also, please bear with me this week as I have my graduate orals to study for
and take on Friday next.....finally, please do accept my sincere appreciation
for being "used" as an example of "famous Eagle Scouts"....I am compiling a
list of famous Eagles myself and will list them here this week.
I have sat at a hotel room Thursday and read some of the notes that Jessica
printed for me and gave me as I sped out to meet my peers from the school for
a five hour trip to the western end of the state....man, I was mad at some
of them and wanted to find a terminal right away. Some of them, I verbally
answered as I was sitting at a resturant table drinking coffee (and I think
that there were several people there that thought "god, what is wrong with
One note here about Mormon Scouts and I will write more later. I have been
really fortunate to attend the Western Region's equal to the Exploring
Advanced Seminar/Woodbadge course, called the Exploring Leadership Institute
or ELI. Yes, ELI like many of Scouting's courses have been modified SLIGHTLY
to include the Mormon Church's special prayers and religious requirements.
But the course was NO DIFFERENT than the ones that I do in the Southeast and
East Central Regions and the core course approved by the National Exploring
Yes, the Church does want its members (youth and adult) to observe some of
its basic tenats...but like ALL churches, there is some flexibility there
to allow for special programs in Scouting.
As a Scoutmaster, I had a Mormon Troop Commissioner. Jack Cox was the best
commissioner that I have ever worked with and was my personal mentor during
the time I served.....later, when he left, the european Bishop came and
thanked *me* for my service as Scoutmaster....My Explorer Post Advisor was
Mormon and while he went home on Saturday evenings, this allowed for the
three Associate Advisors to manage the Post during our many trips....the
Church takes Scouting seriously and as many has stated here, does use the
ENTIRE Scouting program as their youth leadership and church maturation
program. Yes, the Mormon church was the prime motivators in two new programs
of Scouting: Venture and Varsity Scouting. They also were supportive of the
improved WEBELOS and Bear programs and the Tiger Cub program. There is NO
"mormon supplement" to the Scout Handbook....there IS a requirement that
Mormon youth are to earn their religious award.
I love to meet and talk with Mormons because like me, they *do* love the
program, can understand the hardships yet, with a smile and a firm handshake,
state that "yes, we know that scouting has a long way to go...but if you
will help, we will participate". I do NOT know of ANY Mormon Scouter or
unit that will NOT participate in a Council or District event...many are
the Commissioner staffs for their units and other non-Mormon units.
I *did* know of a Mormon Scout that refused to wear our high school
trademarked green Scout jackets with the OA patch on the back at school....
he wore the red on instead...but that's individuality, not religious bigotry.
Well....the time's a' wasting and I have 116 more to go before I start
(nope, as far I know there's not a Richmond in Iowa or Illinois...)
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City