or blackeagle ("Settummanque)
Mon, 2 Mar 1992 23:36:00 EDT
Why don't we just take out all of the rules of the Scouting program and mke
it so everyone can become an Eagle Scout within six months of joining??
Why don't we take all of the requirements for the leadership positions and
the service projects and say "Well...you CAN do this...but you don't have to.
You'll still become an Eagle Scout, because that's the way Scouting is..."
Yes, this response is a bit (a LOT) cynical but it cuts to the chase in this
question. Sue, I agree with Chris. If a Troop, Team or Post has ESTABLISHED
RULES (that is, rules in which ALL members know about at the time of their
enrollment; rules established by the youth of that unit and approved by the
adult committee and its volunteer "coach" as to fairness), then that young man
has not a leg to stand upon.
And neither does his father.
The problem is, with any program there comes a set of standards. There is the
BSA's standards..which ALL members must follow. Then there are those standarded
that the BSA left up to each of its 412 Councils and in turn, to each Pack,
Troop, Team, Post or Ship to modify and suit to its own locality. What would
be "active" in Harlem, New York could be "inactive
be "active" in Harlem, New York could be "inactivity" in Paris, Kentucky or
Tuscon, Arizona. That was one of the reasons why the BSA left the "leadership
requirement" and the "tenure" time (as what constitutes "active") to each unit
to decide upon. We even give out a "attendance award" (what used to be called
a "perfect attendance award") to members based ON CRITERIA SET BY THE UNIT.
Yes, he met the BSA's standards...but those, Griz, are BASELINE standards.
If I was a member of his Eagle Board, I would have asked him the following
* What MAKES you an Eagle Scout??
* How have you managed to "make up" for the Scouting activity you missed?
* Please tell me about the kinds of leadership you have been doing with those
* Please tell me about the kinds of service you have given to this community
while a member of those other groups.
Based upon the answers to those questions, I would then cast my vote for or
against his passing...
(*brief note: Don Izard and I have been discussing this issue earlier this
past spring...you might want to check out the log entries and read those...
or ask Don (since I have since "zapped" it) for the "Eagle file" that I sent
him containing the discussion on all aspects of the Eagle Scout process...its
good reading, no matter which side you are on!*)
the ACTUAL standards are set by the unit and the Council of which approves the
award and sends it to the National offices....the Council has their bee-hind
on the line, right along with the Scout.
I have said this comment before, and it still stands (with contriversy):
the Eagle Scout Badge is the highest award that the BSA can present to a youth
for leadership, service and dedication to the program. To cheapen it by
presenting it to any boy that "stuck it out long enough" to get it gives evey
Eagle Scout a bad taste in their mouth...and to "give it to him" just because
he was in the Troop for a while and the father is active (whatever that word
means, nowadays!) is kicking every Eagle Scout that have ever earned the award
the HARD, ARDUOUS WAY in the private parts!
It hurts and we should NOT be doing it, for whatever the reason is.
If the unit has a policy, then the policy is there for ALL Scouts to follow.
(*final thought: What Chris stated about the Explorer Post is true, and if
he TRULY wants the Eagle, instead of crying about it from the Troop...he should
seek out the Medical Post, earn the badge and become a active member of that
Mike Walton (these terminals are getting weird!! This one keeps double-returning
on me! Help!)
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City