Wed, 27 Nov 1991 15:57:19 CST
Kathie Cerveny <kathie%DELTA.EECS.NWU.EDU@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU> writes
about prayer at Scout functions and the discussion thereof in this mailing list:
> After reading the many responses and opinions of "prayer" on this list
> lately, I have managed to stay out of the discussion. However, today, one
> day before Thanksgiving, I simply can not remain quiet.
> Please remember, "You knew the rules when you joined our movement. If you
> can change them within the guidelines of our movement, and you can not work
^^^(I suspect that Kathie means "cannot" here.)
> with the rule(s), please leave. We do not need you."
> -Lord Baden-Powell
I think that the discussion of whether or not to pray at Scouting
functions, and if so, what kinds of "prayers" would be appropriate and
what kinds would be inappropriate falls within the legitimate realm of
discussion. I am not convinced that the rules as they stand require
prayer or belief in a eurocentric, christ-based, patriarchal,
capitalist God. Since there is no consensus on what the rules are, I
think that we can reasonably discuss them. And I suspect that the
rules are interpretted differently in different places and times, which
is a good thing.
The problem with the sentiment above, which Kathie attributes to Lord
Baden-Powell, is that it squelches legitimate dissent. The ruling
power structure inevitably decides what working "to change [rules]
within the guidelines of our movement" means, thereby ensuring no
substantial challenges. Sorry. I can not accept that. If there is an
unjust situation, I will work to change it, and I do not much care
whether I am within someone else's guidelines or not. If we all just
followed orders, followed the rules, there would still be American boys
dying in Viet Nam. Indeed, they might instead be subjects of the
English Crown rather than American boys.
The right to dissent is sacred. Rules always work against the
unempowered and for the power elite. I cannot accept that.
Chuck McCaffrey email@example.com 217-384-8500 opinions=mine
Music never comes unbidden to the mind.
It is a beautiful private language, independent of words,
made up of association and memory. And no one listens to it.
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City