Re: Initial Hello
David D. Miller +49 6221 404405 (DDM@DHDIBM1.BITNET)
Fri, 22 Nov 1991 09:09:32 CET
OK. So it's accepted that BSA requires two adults present for
every activity. That set me thinking about joint activities between
my German (VCP) Scouts and the BSA Troops who meet across the road.
By BSA standards, VCP in this corner of Germany is boy led.
The Patrols meet separately - the annual Troopnight is on
7 December this year - and the Patrol Leaders are aged 16 upwards.
In addition, there is no leader in the Troop more senior than SPL.
There seems to be a policy of not allowing adults into the Troop;
It's not written down anywhere, but it's just about impossible.
As for two-deep leadership, it doesn't exist. They have just enough
leaders for one per Patrol, and that includes all those 16 and up.
So what will happen when I succeed in putting them in touch with
a BSA Troop. Will they suddenly have to acknowledge that their
"highly trained" Gruppenleiter (PL) and Stammesleiter (SPL) don't
qualify for the 'Leiter' part of their titles? And how does that
change the rules for the number of adults present?
Are BSA Leaders allowed to help organise events for non-BSA Scouts
when it is known that the non-BSA leaders won't be old enough?
After a lot of coaching, I've brain-washed one of the Gruppen to the
point that they actually want some contact with BSA/GSUSA Scouts,
but getting them to invite a Patrol of Scouts *plus 2 adult leaders*
will be something else altogether. Each Gruppe only has five or six
Scouts in it, so while inviting a comparable group (Patrol) of BSA
Scouts is almost acceptable, they draw the line at adults.
The good news is that I am suitably aged to be a BSA Scoutmaster,
and am a PL of one of the German Groups, so in the special case
of my Group there is not so much of a problem.
If my Group visits a BSA Troop, I would fit in with the ASMs,
and the Group becomes another Patrol for the evening. In the other
direction, just one visiting adult is needed. However, even for
my Group, such an exchange is not going to take place in the
foreseeable future. And for the other groups...?
David D. Miller
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