Re: patch trading
(no name) ((no email))
Thu, 14 Nov 1991 16:36:00 EDT
The "fluer-de-lis" rule was enacted by uniamous vote of the National
Executive Board, BSA in 1977...after the 1977 National Scout Jamboree.
During that Jamboree, there were seventeen versions of the Jamboree patch
issued by trading posts (OUR trading posts, various Regions, the Health
staff, the ScoutSkill staff, the Conservation staff, etc...
Not only that, but four (that I know of) "bogus Councils" made their
way to the Jamboree....for trading. The ones I know of are the Cardinal
Council (in Kentucky...I have two or three of those CSPs and HAD one of
the OA flaps..until I traded it for several CSPs. It was beautiful!
*note: I use that council as illustration for several classes that I do
on the organization of a Council and District per BSA books and personal
experience...I also used what I thought the Council would have as part
of several recreation grad classes...and Scouting don't pay off!!**
, the Dixieland Council (had a large Dixie flag with a Rebel saluting a
black Scout and a white Cub Scout...really nice!!!!) from Mississippi;
a Badlands Council (the scene looked like one of the old west scenes)
from North Dakota; and a CSP from a Council calling itself the James West
Council in Illinois.
The problem with all of those patches is that they met BSA standards...they
looked like CSPs, were worn like CSPs and according to the Scouts and
Scouters that had them, their Council was "being merged" with another.
I caught the Cardinal guy, because he said that his Council was being merged
with the Old Kentucky Home Council (the council I came from) and we instantly
made a deal...I get three for three OKHC patches....he won't get in trouble.
So I did....
There were lots of other "patches and pins while, not official, they
were "not unofficial" either. As a result, the National Uniform and
Insignia Committee (I was a youth member to that committee from 1976-78),
recommended to the National Council that those restrictions be placed on
all BSA insignia. They als recommended that all Council strips be madde by
National and designed by national so that this "bogus CSP" stuff would not
You know what, Kathie...it did....in 1981. Then, the Dixieland Council showed
up again and another Council CSP showed up....It also happened, I understand
at the 1985 and 89 Jamborees, which prompted the "patch police" to go out
and inspect patches...(*what a stupid idea!!!*)
By the way, if you *do* run across a Dixieland Council strip....its worth
$320 to a trader in North Texas!
Settummanque!@HEY Maybe I should go into the "bogus patch" business....NOT!
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City