Re: O-A Flaps
Don Izard (IZARD@UBVM.BITNET)
Thu, 14 Nov 1991 14:19:13 EST
MIKE, (and others interrested in reason)
You Only get a HALF right! I can name you at least THREE councils
in NY state that get patches from National supply, and are not
listed in the National CSP list! Greater Niagara Fronteer is one!
Reason being, when they were in Nationals list, the price was
$1.75! Council office price was $3! I could order from national
or go to the local scout supply sub store, and buy them for $1.75.
Why pay $3 at the council???? They caught on real quick, and had
the listing removed! And the CSP is now only sold at the office!
Next, item, our OA lodge legal expert and pre law student, has
provided me with some other facts concerning copyrights. A
copyright does not prevent you from buying or selling an ITEM.
It prevents you from making unauthorized copies, then selling
them without aproval or a paid lisence fee to the legal owner.
And neither the copyright laws NOR THE BSA insigia control guide
say that I can't own or display an ITEM such as my Fathers Silver
Beaver. I just can not rightfully wear it, or make a copy of it!
It takes a real bureaucrat to try to pervert the intent of such
regulations as to create the PATCH POLICE! NO PLACE DOES IT SAY
you can not trade patches. Quite the reverse is true!!!!!!!
I will also provide a couple quotes from a copyrighted BSA document:
"Patch collecting and TRADING is as old as scouting. Millions of
scouts have found patch trading a unique hobby, equally as exiting
as collecting stamps or coins". It goes on, Set aside a special time
for patch trading activities . . . schedule it as you would any other
program for Scouts and Explorers. And from the same BSA published
document: Lodges are advised by the recommendation of the National
Order of the Arrow Committee, that "NO RESTRICTIONS BE PLACED ON
LODGE EMBLEMS." (meaning flaps, etc.)
Follow up and related story: At last years section conclave, after
a lodge and council realinement, members of a NEW lodge in the
section stood and watched as the patch trading was going on. When
asked if they wanted to trade a flap for a flap, they responded,
"We can't our flaps are restricted." I quickly pulled out my copy
of the review of the NO RESTRICTIONS policy at NOAC. The scout
asked if I could send him a copy, and how they could change the
policy. It seems only CERTAIN ADULTS in the lodge had created
the policy, and they always seemed to have plenty of flaps to
trade! I also introduced the Scout to the rules of the OA the fact
only YOUTH members under the age of 21 in the OA can vote, and/or
set policy. I then introduced him to the Section advisor, in
case he needed "assistance" in getting the policy changed to what
the YOUTH members wanted! This year, the same guys show up with
total overkill! They had the OLD version three color, formerly
"restricted" flap, which is now obselete, they also have a MEMBERS
flap, based on the original colors and design of the first flap
for the lodge, but not very colorful, and then the COUP-DE-GRASS!
A 19 color TRADERS flap!!! With gold and silver mylar, multicolor
Thurderbird, with a nuclear sunset in the background!! Scouts and
adults lined up to trade 1 for 1 for the new unlimited flap. And
the BOZO's that created that OLD design and kept it restricted are
now literally left hold the bag. (full of now almost worthless patches)
I already pointed out that a council out WEST, publishs sale sheets
of BSA items, and sells to the first one with $$$$. I think that
BSA should put it's own house in order, before it creates more
embarassment with the PATCH POLICE. If all patches were sold
unrestricted, and of relative equal cost, there would be no need
for patch police, and trades could be "one of mine for one of yours!"
Patch police only serve to reinforce the problem, not solve it.
member WNY Scout Traders Assn
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