Re: Insignia aesthetics
(no name) ((no email))
Thu, 31 Oct 1991 14:27:00 EDT
Okay...here is the answers to your questions...from easy to hard (and not in
the order that you presented them!)
The "devices" you mentioned (the small pins that denote what PROGRAM AREA you
have earned a particular award in) are....Tiger Cubs, Cub Scouting, Boy Scouting
Varsity Scouting, Exploring, Sea Exploring and Commissioner (seven). All of
these are used on the various training and service awards to denote the
PROGRAM AREA in which you earned the award in...
On formal occasions, they are to be worn on the ribbon of the medal in which
you have actually earned (hence, your question about the Scouter's Training
Award is correct..you would wear the same three devices on both knot and
medal ribbon. They *do* fit...I wear three on the STA (Boy Scouting, Exploring,
Sea Exploring) and three on the Key (Scoutmaster, Explorer Advisor, commissioner
As far as the Eagle Scout Badge is concerned, the Eagle Palms go on the knot
as well as the Medal Ribbon (and if you were a youth member, on the cloth
badge too...centered over the Eagle). Again, you wear the HIGHEST number
of combinations to denote the number of MB you earned OVER EAGLE (either 21
or 24, depending on your time in the program...me it was 24).
The Honor Medal with crossed palms is worn in the same way...the crossed palms
in the center of the knot as it is on the medal.
You may earn the Scouter's Training Award PRESENTLY ONLY as a Boy Scouter
or Varsity Scouter....or as part of a Roundtable/Huddle/Exchange staff.
If you earn it as a Huddle Staff member, you would wear the COMMISSIONER
device since that is the PROGRAM AREA that you serve in (now, you know
why I capped PROGRAM AREA...)..if you served as Assistant Coach or as
member of the Team Committee, you would wear the Varsity device.
You cannot earn the Scouters' Training Award (STA) in another position in
the same PROGRAM AREA (for example, you cannot earn it as Huddle Commissioner
and as Unit Commissioner...you CAN earn it as Huddle Commissioner and member
of a Team Committee or as a Team Consultant). You may earn the Training
Award in all six program areas and wear all six devices. Likewise, you can
earn the Scouter's Key (SK) ONLY as a Scoutmaster, Varsity Coach or as a
Skipper--or as a Commissioner. The Exploring Key is NOT a medal but a tie tac
and you wear the "big E" on the knot only. The Cubmaster Award has its own
knot emblem, therefore, a Cub Scout emblem would not be approviate on the Key
(unless you are one of many that earned the Key before National switched things
three years ago; in which case, you *could* possibly wear all six on the Key
The Training Awards are available to REGISTERED MEMBERS....so as you stated,
adults that we "rope in to help" can get the Cub Scouters' Award (the reason
why it was created...to "rope in parents" because BSA realized that most
parents are registered that seek recognition....that award is used as a
"catch all" award for both Tiger Cubs and regular Cubs leaders that are
not eligible for the Den Leaders, WEBELOS Den Leaders, Den Leader Coach or
Again, you CANNOT EARN the SAME AWARD TWICE IN ANY PROGRAM AREA (Tiger Cubs
is considered part of the Cub Scouting program area right now...) Therefore,
your two questions about wearing both Tiger cub and Cub Scouting devices
cannot be done.
The Tiger Cub device was made so that Cub Scouts can wear them on the
youth religious knot to indicate that they have earned the Cub Scout and
Tiger Cub-aged religious emblem. A Adult can wear the youth religious knot
with Tiger, Cub, Scout and Explorer devices (as it is done in the Catholic
Church with programs for each of those program areas....) on the knot.
So your question about the God and Me (Tiger Cub to 8 years old) and
God and Family (8-11 years old) religious awards, he can wear both Tiger
and Cub devices on the knot when becoming a Boy Scout (or earlier).
The belt buckle you mentioned is for Cub or Scout family camping....I tried
to get our Scouting club here interested in using the belt buckle for our
Superactivities as a recognition device and place "big E"s on the four
mountain tops (like its designed for.....) but nobody was interested. You are
correct that the Cub, Scout, (or if used) Exploring devices can be placed
Ask your Scout Shop staff if they have EVER seen a copy of the Insignia
Control Guide and ask them for a copy of the Leadership Training (plans,
proceedures, materials) booklet (I only have the cover here at the office..
its the one with the BSA volunteer training seal on the top center!!) there.
Then politely ask them to READ it....all of the responses to your questions
are found in either booklet...along with illustrations on each award and knot!
(Don't feel bad....I went to Cincinnati last year and they did the same thing
to me...look at me with the "glazed-over look"!!!!! hehehehe!)
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City