Re: In a knot over knots!
Kathie Cerveny (kathie@DELTA.EECS.NWU.EDU)
Thu, 31 Oct 1991 10:32:17 CST
> Wow! so many things to comment about. First, The 100
> scouts thing. Wouldent it be nice if we cold say out of 100 scouts
> 100 got eagle? About the not thing, there are to many. If
> you ever notice the olny pepole that wear them in any number
> are fairly far away from "the front lines"(district and council
> board members)the others I see wearing knots are the grey haired
> "scouter reds" that all of us know have been and done everything
> already. National should limit the number worn. After a while some
> pepole begin to look like Generals. No adult should "out do" a
> scout, or look like he is a higher rank or somthing. Its the boys
> program, national should be spending time trying to improve program
> for them and not knots. I realy think national has goten to BIG.
> This is a prime example. True, adults do alot and should get rewarded
> for it,but for me its what is in my heart. I could have been awarded
> all of the knots but none of them would meen any thing if all I
> did was do all the requirements for my self.
That is indeed the attitude of some of the adults in our program! All for
themselves, using the program and children for the glory of the adult.
I would personally hate to condemn the recognition of the thousands of
adults who give of their time (some as much as 40 -50 hours a week) all
year long, with no "goal" of an award to wear, in fact many never do wear
I really disagree with your position - but then I have that right here in
this country and program. I do not wear my knots - as a commissioner and a
long time trainer at all levels of volunteer work (unit (am with a troop);
district, (am District Commissioner of 92 units); area, region, and
national, I probably do miss getting some awards because I do not put in
the completed card required. On the other hand, the one uniform I have
that holds my training knots is only worn when I need to use it to assist
my audience in listening to me so I can prove myself and skill level.
There are times when the "old timers" mostly men, will not listen to a
woman unless she holds 10 times more credentials than they do. I know
after 19 years in this program. However, I find it a challenge, and one
that I personally am up for at all times. I do not wear my knots, not
because I am not pleased to have served the time and done the deeds that
EARNED those knots (key word earned), but because a new leader or scout may
find it all just a bit overwhelming! I have never heard said to me, "Of
course she knows it, look all the knots she has, she must have been in
Scouting for 100 years!" I have, however, heard that a number of times
said about others.
I do not believe it is the knots that brings us to the program, nor should
keep us here, it certainly is not so with me and hundreds of Scouters I
know world wide, but I believe, live, and teach that the life of one boy is
more important than any other reason to be.
For the record, I hold: 5 Scouter Training Awards (commissioner, Cub Scout,
Boy Scout, Exploring, and Varsity); the Den Leader Training Award; the Den
Leder Coach Training Award; the District Award of Merit; the Silver Beaver
(1987); Cub Scout Woodbadge beads (ECCS 2); and Boy Scout Woodbadge beads
No I do NOT wear the knots always, but when I do, I wear them knowing that
I have EARNED them along the way of helping a boy. I never seek nor have I
sought the awards, but after having earned them, I do NOT retire and sit
back as some do -- I, as many many other Scouters I respect and know, work
harder and with more conviction that what we do is very much worth doing.
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