Wed, 18 Sep 1991 22:08:19 EDT
With all this discussion about Philmont, I figured that I should add what I
know. I worked on Philmont Staff this past summer as a Ranger, so all of this
information should be current.
First, having been a Ranger, I don't know very much about the Philmont Training
Center. Read the previous messages if you think that may interest you. I am,
however, rather familiar with the Camping Headquarters portion of Philmont.
Okay, Here are the programs that Philmont currently offers:
1. Philmont Training Center: I don't have anything to add here. Some General
Info: Families are WELCOMED! Spouses of participants have various
opportunities available to them. Children ages 13-21 are invited to
participate in the Mountain Trek program (more on that later). Child care is
provided for those under 13 years of age. Sessions run from thursday to
thursday (1 week, and I believe that there are a few 2 week sessions). As for
session topics, contact either Philmont or your council office.
2. Woodbadge: Yes, Woodbadge is offered at Philmont. Talk to Philmont for
3. Mountain Treks: For youth (both male and female) age 13-21. The program
runs from a thursday to thursday, with 4 nights spent on the trail. This is a
provisional program, and leadership is provided by Philmont. (2 rangers
accompany each 8-10 youth) This program is a good introduction to Philmont.
4. Rayado Program: The Rayado program is similar to Mountain treks in that
they are both provisional, with leadership provided by Philmont. They age
requirement for Rayado is 15-21, and consists of about 17-18 nights on the
trail. (Notte: This is a change from previous years. The program has been
lengthened) Be prepared for some rather strenuous hiking.
5. Cavalcades: This is an 8 night Philmont experience on horseback. This
program is somewhat limited in size, so early registration is essential. At
this point, the summer '92 program is filled, and I'm not sure about '93.
6. Regular Treks: This is the largest program at Philmont. It consists of 12
days at Philmont, 10 nights on the trail (2 nights in basecamp). There are 24
preplanned itineraries to choose from, ranging from 50-120 miles. All of these
treks allow you to see the beauty of Philmont. Crews should range from 7-12.
Crews larger than 14 will be split up into 2 smaller crews. Note that normal
leadership requirements apply: At least 1 adult over 21yrs of age, and 2 over
18yrs of age (ie, an 18 and 21 yr old are okay, 2 19 yr olds are not) Coed
cres are allowed (with corresponding leadership requirements). Note that is
you ABSOLUTELY CANNOT get enough leaders to come, then Philmont will assign you
a ranger to fulfill the leadership requirement. (You have to pay about $30/day
for him/her though) And you should notify Philmont beforehand. Also, at least
half the crew must be under age 21.
7. Special Treks: Same format as above (6), just of different lengths. These
itineraries are not preplanned, so you are "at the mercy" of the crew loads in
various backcountry camps.
8. Trail Crew: Come work on Philmont trails for 2 weeks, then go on a 10 day
trek. This program is free (except transportation), and is great for those who
are thinking about applying for staff in later years. A group of ten works
with 2 conservation staff on trails or other conservation work on Philmont,
then trek with them. This is also a provisional program. In the past, there
has not been any female trail crews, due to lack of interest on behalf of
participants. Females are welcome in this program, if enough register.
Note: With all of the provisional programs, males and females are in separate
groups. This is not so for the troop programs.
These are the summer season Philmont programs. Approximatly 18,000 people came
for mountain treks, rayado, regular and special treks. An additional 10,000
showed up for seesions at the Philmont training center.
Philmont also is working on establishing a fall and winter program.
This is the first year for the fall program. Basically, any group (scouting,
non-scouting, and all-adult) can come to Philmont and wander the trails for a
length of time of there choosing. The cost is $5/person/day, unless you choose
to eat Philmont food, in which case it is $10.
The winter program (entering its 3rd or 4th year), is similar, but it includes
winter survival/enjoyment training.
I believe that this is all of the programs (I may be forgetting one, however)
Oh, By the Way, Philmont is always looking for people to be on staff. Call or
write to philmont if you are interested.
Now, to answer a few questions that first caught my attention:
Is there a "normal"summer camp,(normal means traditonal like merit badges
and stuff) there?
Sorry, but No. Although alot of requirements for various merit badges CAN be
satisfied during a Philmont Trek. (Camping, Hiking, and Soil and Water
Conservation spring to mind.)
Two, What Council or Councils is it in?
Philmont was donated to the National Council, Boy Scouts of America by Waite
Philips in 1938 and 1941.
Three, what ever the name of the council do they run it or does national
do all of it,if national does what committee is it?
Philmont is run by the BSA's General Manager for Camping. (Mr. Chuck
Buenger) He is responsible for the operation of Philmont, Florida Seabase, the
now-defunct Maine High Adventure base, and the Northern Tier High Adventure
base. (I am not totally sure about that last one.)
As for running down all 24 itineraries, that takes a 35 pg (double sided)
book. Call Philmont and ask them to send you a PEAKS (Philmont Expedition
Adventure Key to Superactivities) book. Note that these do change from year to
year, but not too drastically.
And as for the Philmont incinerator, yes it failed state inspection, so trash
is now contracted out to a Taos NM garbage hauler. (and no, I don't know what
he does with it)
To Jay Puckhaber, Yes, Little Costillo is taller than Baldy, by a whole 142 ft.
12,583 (Little Costillo) vs. 12,441 (baldy). I agree, The Valle Vidal is
beautiful. (but then, so is Philmont)
A little background on Philmont itself: It is 137,493 Acres of land (114 sq.
mi.) in the Sangre de Cristo (Blood of Christ) range of the Rocky Mountains.
Elevations (and corresponding vegetation) ranges from about 6500 ft to 12,441
ft. (above treeline) It is incredibly beautiful country. I WANT TO GO BACK TO
PHILMONT!!!! Scouts (including explorers) come from all over the U.S., and
other countries. This summer scouts came from Japan, Sweden, Finland, and
those are just the ones I met. The staff is similarly mixed. (I, and 4 other
people from Massachusetts worked out there this summer)
Philmont's Address is:
Philmont Scout Ranch
Cimarron, NM 87714
I will look up the phone number if anyone wants it.
Feel free to write to me with any questions you have, or send the question to
the list if you think alot of people would be interested.
Brotherhood Member, Tisquantum Lodge 164
Eagle Scout, Troop 7, Foxboro MA, Eagle Scout Class of '89
Philmont Participant '87, '90
Philmont Ranger Staff '91
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City