Re: Multiple Registrations across 2 councils
(no name) ((no email))
Sun, 15 Sep 1991 01:47:00 EDT
Question #1: Can I be registered as a mulitple in more than two Councils?
Before I answer that, let me explain for the home audience what a "multiple"
A "multiple" (according to the BSA's "Dictionary of Scouting" (1988 version)
is a "person whom is registered in one particular position (his/her "primary"
registration) and wishes to attach to another unit(s) for various reasons.
This person pays the BSA registration fee in his or her primary registration
unit and completes the (BSA Registration form) for each additional position
they wish to serve in. Multiples receive only one copy of Scouting magazine
and usually receive only one copy of mailings from the local Council regardless
of the additional position(s) held."
The operative answer is YES. The key is that you wish to register as a
multiple. Many Councils will want you to transfer your primary registration
to the new Council and position (for insurance reasons: I explained this one
on a earlier posting. Different Councils have different insurance carriers.
Some insurance policies do not cover adults registered in another Council
even if they are "visiting Scouters". For example, the Old Kentucky Home Council
in Louisville insures their commissioners for $1m; the Bluegrass Council 74 mile
s to the east in Lexington does not have separate coverages for their commiss
ioner staffs. The Audobon Council in Owensboro has a 4.5m dollar policy for a
of their volunteers. All of the Councils mentioned do NOT cover you if you
are involved in something and am NOT a registered member of their Council.
This cuts down on the premiums a lot!!
2. What legal issues would be involved if I did NOT register with the Pack
(in the Lake Huron Council, where you live presently)?
The same kinds of things I tell my College Scouters when they ask me that same
question. In our case, the Bluegrass Council will tell you that unless you
are registered with a unit in their Council, very little can be provided to you
in the event you are held liable for something in the Pack. National will
provide legal help, but don't count on the local Council for support UNLESS
YOU ARE REGISTERED WITH THEM! We would like to think that Scouting looks out
for all Scouters, but its your local Council that has to make those moves...
not the national organization.
Don't get this confused with liability at camps....that is a different matter
all together. ALL BSA Camps (even camporees) are REQUIRED to have insurance
on every camper that comes...whether they are registered in your Council or
not...and whether they come with a Tour Permit or not...(which is another
topic all together!) The insurance we are talking about here is the "sue me!!"
insurance for cases of abuse or neclect (sp) or whatever happens in a Pack
and Sammy Son's mom and dad decides to sue the "bigger pockets", the BSA
(or in this case, the local Council and the unit and you).
3. I am only working with the Pack for 3 months and would rather have the
$7.00 waived..... (this is not a question, but it leads up to one....is there
a pro-rated fee??)
Yes, there is a prorated fee that units can pay...its available from the
Pack's treasurer or from the Registar of your Council. You can pay for three
or six or five months if that's all you want. Many people do not know that.
Its all tied into the expiration date (the charter date) of the unit. We
have prorated the registration fee and paid the entire fee when the unit
recharters in Janurary. (I think its 1.30 for 3 months..but check it out!)
4. Looking at my registration card, I see a series of numbers that look
165 05 S-0551 060780
What exactly is this and can this assist me somehow in keeping my records
That, Scott, is your "ID number" as far as the BSA is concerned. That,
coupled with the position code (which appears on your card as the title and
on your Scouting magazine as a two-digit code, like 21) id's you to the BSA
a Assistant Scoutmaster, in Scout Troop 551, in District number 5 in Council
number 165 (note that I did not use your district or Council name. This is
because Councils and District really do not have names to National; they
have locations and headquarters cities. When you call national about something
they will refer to the Council City (Lexington, Kentucky for example) rather
than the name of the Council (because they change and merge and all of that).
Districts are the same way. Yes, it will help you to transfer from one unit
to another or to be registered as a multiple. That last number is the number
of volunteers in that Council that have been registered using the new
computer system BSA went to. That number will change when you change jobs
or change Councils or Districts or even units.
5. Can I then work with another Unit/District/Council even though I am
registered someplace else?
Ask me (or most volunteers for that matter) and the answer is "YES!! I can
use all of the extra registered hands I can get, no matter where they are
from (the operative word here is 'registered'....if they are not registered
someplace, I would get them registered here!~~)
Ask some professionals and they will give you the same responses.
Ask most professionals (especially in Councils with "numbers") and they will
tell you politely that they would rather you register with them AND with
the other Council as a purely risk-management basis (and yes Scott, you CAN
register twice in two separate Councils (like me in the Bluegrass and in
the National Capitol Area) by just paying the $7.00 and get over it!).
Well...that ends "registration 101" for tonight.
Settummanque! @HEY!! I hope seriously that I have answered your questions.
But honestly, any commissioner worth his or her salt that is TRAINED could
have answered this one...but then, who would read the five screens from me??
Council Exploring Commissioner/Service Team Chair
Bluegrass Council, BSA
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City