67 MESSAGES, GOOD GRIEF!!!!!!!!!
(no name) ((no email))
Fri, 31 May 1991 23:52:00 MST
I go away for four days and what do I find when I get back, 67 messages
from the SCOUTS-L NETWORK. Good Grief, that seems like more than we had
during the last six months. It is a good thing I flew to Hollywood to work
this week, with all the mail coming over the network, I would not have been
able to get in the 40+ hours I worked in the last four day (not including
travel time and time to read all these messages!).
I have a few notes and then I want to present a question published in our
council newsletter for DISCUSSION on the network. I am almost afraid to
present the question based upon the recent conversations, but I will go
First, Dr. Steven C. Meyers, glad you hear you got the Where to Go Camping
book, sorry I did not send a message. I have been a bit busy, 100 hours of
work the last two weeks and I spent several days teaching myself Paradox3
in order to build a database to handle Merit Badge Counselor lists and
actually spent additional time with data input of merit badge counselors.
Who knows how much time I have put into my comments for this list (it takes
a lot of time and I saw at least one other comment about the number of
comments coming accross this week). I should also mention the time I spent
with my family (my older boy graduated from High School last week and
beleive it or not, I even say hello to my wife now and then).
Ronald P. Roberts, welcome, it is nice to see someone else from my council
on the list. As far as names go, anything I sign, (type my name to the
bottom of) is free game. I express my thoughts and ideas in the hopes of
learning and teaching. I find it is easier to get different thoughts on
something if you state what you think and hope it is different from what
someone else thinks, that way they are more likely to tell you what they
think! The classic examle is a fraternity brother. He was a summer time
Marine while we where in college (now airforce). In the ROTC classes he
wore cilvian cloths. The ARMY (sorry to pick on you) ROTC members of the
class all in uniform pegged him as the class hippie (they did not know he
was a Marine) and he gladly took up the part until the last day of class. I
doubt he really beleived all the retoric he shot out at the rest of the
class during the year, but he got the discussion going and I bet those
ARMY ROTC students learned more becuase of his presence then if he had not
been there to challenge. (We also got some laughs from discussing this back
at the fraternity house.) Maybe I can best express this by saying, I was
interested in the oppinions everyone had to express over the homosexualy
court case thing, BUT I DO NOT WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOUR SEXUAL PREFERENCES
/ACTIVITIES ARE. From what I read, I do not think anyone gave us that
information. My fraternity brother was accused of being a communist
because he said, what about this way of doing things. He never said he
beleive in doing things the communist way.
I have seen some comments about some harse words being sent directly to
individuals on the list and this bothers me. I would like to offer the
following suggesting when discussing hot topics (this will also help with
some of the clutter if this list stays HOT!). Please do not send us quotes
when presenting a thought on some topic, unless it is really necessary or
you really are that bad of a typist (I should talk) and do not want to
re-type something. If we are interested in the topic, we will have read
the thoughts which have already been presented. Please, tell us the topic
you are commenting on and then write your thoughts. Are they really your
thoughts if you try and tear someone elses thoughts apart to present them?
(Retorical questions, lets not get this going again.)
RE: Summer list manager, David B. O'Donnell, thank you, thank you, thank
you for doing this job. I know from just looking at what happened since I
left Monday morning to now Friday evening how much clutter you must have to
put up with. If I understand correctly, this is a volunteer thing you are
doing for the summer and it is appreciated. I for one, know I do not have
time to do the job. As far as what you think about the topics being
discussed and what others on this list think, I am intersted in hearing
what you have to say (time available!), even if I do not agree with you and
I saw a lot to disagree with in the many of the messages I read this evening.
I also saw a lot to agree with. It is very likely I have changed my thinking
on some things, unlike politcials which the public seems to want to hold them
to a fixed set of positions, I do this all the time. In fact, if someone
wanted to hold me to something I stated as an oppinion yesterday, they may find
themselves surprised. Given (what I consider-this is all oppinion anyway)
GOOD SOUND REASONING, I have been know to change my mind.
Now I forget who had the problem with no messages and I want to share one
of my philosophies with everyone. Those with high blood presure may want
to pay attention because I beleive (at 50 pounds overweight and high stress
work) this is one of the reason I do not have high blood presure.
When something goes wrong, do not blow up, be patient, be logical, and be
persistent in trying to find out what REALLY HAPPENED. Most of the time,
there is a logical explaination for what happened. True this is frequently
fustrating, human nature dictates that we want to blame and yell at someone
or something. But I disagree with the experts who claim you have to let
off steam. Remember, car tires do not last forever, they will wear out.
When someone or something does mess up, make it a learning experience, not
a yelling or fighting experience.
Now and finnally from the Catalina Council Newsletter "FRONTIERSMEN" ...
SCOUT LEADERS AND SMOKING
The follinw letter was received by Carl H. Jenkins, Scout Executive.
"I am writing on behalf of our Parent Committee for Cub Scout Pack
299. In reviewing the Scout-O-Rama, one of our Den Leaders brought up the
concern that in several instances, Scouts Leaders, in uniform, were smoking
at the event. Leaders who were wandering around, and in particular, Scouts
Leaders who were interacting with young Cubs were observed to be smoking."
"As the Pack 299 leadership, we are urging Catalina Council to adopt a
policy whereby adults are prohibited from smoking cigarettes, cigars and
chewing tobacco when in uniform and when involved in Official Scouting
Events. It is not necessary to state here the health problem and
distasteful side effects associated with smoking to both smoker and
non-smokers. I am sure you are fully aware of them and the implications
for secondary smoke. I would hope that one of the goals of Scout
Leadership would be to set exemplary examples for our youth."
"We would appreciate a written response and would be happy to discuss
this futher with you at your convenience."
I plan to forward any comments on get on this to Carl H. Jenkins. So if
you do not want him to get your comments, please do not post them.
For those of you in Europe who have been commenting on the differences of
attitudes toward alcohol between Europe and the USA, this should provide
you with a good example of how some people are in this country. It is very
likely (I am even hoping for this) we will get some
comments from the other side of the spectrum. Also for your reference
Arizona tends to be a area with many people holding what is considered
CONSERVATIVE MORAL POSITIONS. This is influenced by a large population of
troops which are affiliated with the Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter
Day Saints (LDS). If I understand correctly (and I have pleanty to learn
about this and many other churches), members of this church beleive that
drinking and smoking should not be allowed. This is using drugs for
non-medical purposes. Right or wrong, the LDS churhes have a right to
believe in this and make it a part of the units which are charted to their
organizations. A unit (I do not even know if this is one of the units
chartered to a LDS church) is asking about making this a policy for the
council and the council is asking for input. Can you give me something to
give the council? This is a good example of trying to make changes from
P.S. I am thinking about going on vacation latter this summer, but knowing
what will be waiting for me when I get back, I am almost afraid to go!
(Keeps the comments coming, that is what I am on the list for!)
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City