Re: Homosexual Scouting
David D. Miller (DDM@DHDIBM1.BITNET)
Tue, 28 May 1991 15:37:44 CST
This morning, David B. O'Donnell wrote:
> BSA should be actively encouraged to end its discriminatory policies.
I strongly disagree with this point of view. I don't know exactly what
the BSA's 'expressive goals' are, but they are based on the ideas of
B-P. In the UK, the equivalent goals are stated as Rule 1 of the
"Policy, Organisation and Rules" of the Scout Association:
"The Aim ... is to encourage the physical, mental and spiritual
development of young people so that they may take a constructive
place in society."
All mention of Scout training, getting outdoors, working with others,
etc., is relegated to Rule 2.
Everything depends on your view of a "constructive place in society". I
would expect a standard definition to include having a wife/husband
and 2 or 3 healthy children to carry on the ideals of Scouting/Guiding
to the next generation.
In my home town (St Andrews, Scotland) there are three main uniformed
youth organisations, the Air Training Corps, the Boys' Brigade and the
Scouts/Guides. *All* three have 'discriminatory' policies: the ATC
doesn't accept pacifists, nor those who are afraid of flying; The BB
only accepts Christians (and in St Andrews, only those Christians who
enjoy listening to bagpipe music near at hand!); And the Scout/Guide
requirements include a belief in God and not being a potential danger to
other Scouts/Guides. All three also 'discriminate' against:
o those who refuse to wear Uniform,
o very small children,
o adults, especially those older than 65,
o the very severely mentally handicapped and
o people who don't believe in the organisation.
Take away the discrimination that makes an organisation what it is, and
you effectively wipe out the organisation. Discrimination is an
essential part of our global society, just as much in the rest of the
USA as in the BSA.
It is the "not being a potential danger to other Scouts/Guides" part
which is the critical point in this discussion. The Girl Guide
Association *does* allow men in certain leader positions, including
leading camps, but only after a very long period of vetting. Anyone
without several good character references is not even considered.
Similarly, the Scout Association does not allow certain classes of
people to become leaders. Known homosexuals, child-molesters, thieves
and murderers are all in the same category as far as Scouting is
Or, David, were you just proposing to 'discriminate' against those
who want to follow and spread the ideals of Scouting?
David D. Miller
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