Re: VELCO AND THE USA MILITARY AND SCOUTING
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Wed, 22 May 1991 18:13:00 EDT
Chris et all:
I would LOVE to put all of my stuff on VELCRO...I will look into that!
Especially for the positional patches and the OA flaps...(when you are a
busy person like we are, you either have to invest in several uniforms...
or snap or velcro! (I think its time for the velcro)
I wanted to reply to your comment about the military surpus issue, because
even though there a law there, I don't want you to give the impression that
we in the military have a lot to hand out to the Scouts (or anyone else, the
law also applies to groups like the Red Cross and the Salvation Army.)
I was the military representative on two separate bases handling this program
(each installation whether its Army, Naval, Air or even Coast Guard) has a point
of contact for the program. The law states that the nonprofit group must show
a need for such items on a continuing basis....most units cannot handle the
"continuous basis" part...things like guidons (flag poles that come in two
sections for transport), cots, blankets, and the "pup tent" (with or without
holes) are common things and will be honored most places. Larger tents,
stoves, cooking equipment, lanterns, axes and shovels, and the like (durable
goods) need to be requested through a local council (not so they can get the
benefit from it...some do...but so that the necessary statement that I must pro
vide to get the Army's money back if I gave you a GP Large tent, for example
(the largest tent the ARMY has...it can hold four cars confortably under it!)
then I can justify it when it comes time to account for all of our property
(and I DO NOT love SCOUTING that much to pay $936.80 out of my pocket for
someone else's GP large tent!)
The only thing you need to do to HAVE A LIST prepared in advance as to EXACTLY
what you would like to have from the military. Be prepared for the negative
reply...things are tight on some bases and the impending drawdown will mean
that serviceable items on some bases will be sent to other places where the
troops are....and that don't mean "no, we will not help you" but rather,
"we could if we could, but we can't because we can't". Try again in about
six months (you would be surprised that after I told five Scouters this, six
months later, I had the items but could not send it to them or arrange pickup
because I am FORBIDDEN BY LAW to call them up and tell them that "yes, I have
your items you requested siz months ago." You have to request the items IN
WRITING and even the negative replies are sent up to the Property Book Officer
(so I cannot say that I did not have the item and slide it under the table to
you!) for reconcilation.
The miliary can and will support local Scouting units. Their first priority is t
he defense of the nation and then the welfare of its residents (including Sco
troops on their bases). This has been reaffirmed by Presidential directive in
last July..Desert Storm may have put a lot of us Scouters "on the road", but
the military commands (and some do it better than others) is behind Scouting
and the good it does...just don't use us as your "outdoor supply center" and
instead use us as resource that can help your program.
(and don't forget to send a letter throught the senior military officer on
the base to the Scouting Programs Officer. My career has been enhanced very
much by letters and notes sent through the Command Group telling the General
(Colonel) how I have helped them. They get read. They get signed onto.
They get including in (particularily enlisted) "career management files".
At promotion or selection time, that file gets read.
Most of all, when you send one through channels to me, I read it and know that
I have done my job.....for you and Scouting!)
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City