Re: What IS wrong with scouting
(no name) ((no email))
Tue, 7 May 1991 11:07:00 EDT
Adrian (and others):
I am also from the Old Kentucky Home Council (where I earned the Hornaday
Gold medal, the Heriosm Award and the God and Country Award...as well as
serving in six different troops until I became a Eagle Scout...more on that
later..) I wanted to address three things and make a separate comment at the
I am long winded ONLY because I feel that my comments need explaination, not
because I like the "sound of my own voice" (even though I like that too, on
occasion). Because of my wide Scouting background, I cannot "assume" that all
of you have had the same experiences that I have, so a brief (and I hope that
they are just that, brief) is is order. To those of you that feel that my
five and six page "replies" are too much, please remember that the people with
the most information tend to do better a makink a sound decision rather than
the ones that make a decision based on "what they think they know"...
In my "home Council" (the OKHC), Adrian is right...there has only been ONE
black DE there...and they cannot keep him in that district!
The problem is that they (the council) tries to "match up the blacks with the
blacks and the whites with the whites" instead of getting the BEST possible DE
for that District (I have seen this in many, many Councils...its NOT the
Scout Executive's decision. It is that Council Executive Board that dictates
that "we must must keep the blacks in those areas that we can get the most
(I am getting a barrage of messages across my screen..my students miss me
and the I miss them too!)
based on my background, I have went into Councils asking to work in a suburban
or rural setting (my spouce and my family are from rural backgrounds and I
feel very conforable asking for money from a suburbabn background) instead,
the CE or FD or Director of Field Services steer my to the "black end of town"
and say things like "this is where we see the most growth. We would like for
you to help us with that growth..." or something like that.
Black role models, particularly in Scouting, is important, very much so.
However, the best person and not just the black (or brown or male) face
should be hired to work that District just like any other District. I have
turned down four such offers in my quest for professional service because of
that reason...that explalins my "pigoenholing" comment.
Camp...yes, we are losing a lot of traditions, Gary...and traditions are
very important in a program that prides itself on time-honored traditions.
What I cannot see is why we must invest mucho denero big bucks into a summer
camp facility that is used heavely during the summer and early fall nand not
at all during the spring and winter! That to me, is one of our wastes.
Scouting prides itself on the ability to "go withe the flow" and to be
flexable to the needs of the community...what I have advocated for many years
and Scouting listened and then turned its back is the idea of "joint ownership"
like what we had with the Tennesssee Valley Authority (TVA) with Land Between
the Lakes NAtional Gateway.
LBL was a "national outdoor adventure base" (High adventure to some of you..
"high" denotes a wrong connotation") that was jointly owned by the BSA
(which ran the camp facilities) and the TVA (which maintained and used the
properly for other youth groups during the "off season"). It worked very
well. Until the TVA got into liability problems and the BSA refused to extend
its coverage for the camp....Also it was getting very expensive from the TVA
point of view (it was not, but that was the argument). Anyway, the camp
base closed its doors officially in 1978 (but the TVA still allows troops
from the Four Rivers Council and the Council to use it as a summer camp
facility and Scouts still get a real sweet deal on the camp usae including
the left over BSA equipment (LBL, Golden Pond, Kentucky 42331).
If we could co-use facilities with local states, the Girl Scouts, 4H..that would
cut all of our costs in half or thir and allow us to carry on our mission
of providing "citizenship, cahracter and personal fitness" development without
trying to squeeze every little peeny out of our major corporations and
local businesses because we want to buuild the "Philmont of Kentucky" or
whatever (the camp that Griz was talking about is a state of the art camp and
is so popular that tropps will forsake their own council camp and travel all
day long to get to CCC (Camp Crooked Creek) to see this beautiful multi-MILLION
dollar camp (that is sinking in places and has a "dining hall" that looks like
my church in my home town !! It is so roomy that all of the camp could easily
fit in that building!)
Finally...several people wanted to know what happened to the second part
of my report from SAUDI...well, I retyped it twice and then someone came
back and replied that a previous message was "trival and that I should not
be wasting computer time and his with such trash....Scouting could be better
served if I kept my comments to myself and just reply to the basic question.."
and on..so I deleted it...
I guess nobody really cared about it. I am sorry that to some my comments are
not useful. But I will stay on, still make my comments and answer general and
specific questions based on MY BACKGROUND AND EXPEREIENCE and connections with
various National and Southeast region professsionals and volunteers that I
have maintained friendships with for the past 22 years...
Settummanque! (which was another comment...it simply means "blackeagle" in the
official togue of the Order of the Arrow and is NOT my VIGIL name (heck, I'm
not even a Vigil member!)
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City