I am trying to stir up some converstation again!
(no name) ((no email))
Thu, 2 May 1991 09:32:00 MST
I have not left yet!
Last night at our district meeting the controversy came up again.
I had hoped we have left this item as mute because of changes in
the organization of our council, but the Explorer Post persisted.
I would love some input on this topic, possibly some ideas I could
give to the Post advisor. Not only is he a good (excellent?)
advisor, but a great Scoutmaster as well (He runs a well organized,
very active unit)
Problem, until April 1, the Explorer Posts were part of the
district. In March they participated in the District Camporee.
Their participation included the competitions. Some people were
(and there always will be someone who is) upset by the fact that
the post took 1st place. This is the first time in recent memory
that a Post has taken part in the District Camporee Competitions.
I have lived and worked in five different councils and this is the
first time I remember a Post competing at a District Camporee.
There may be several reasons for this, many posts are career posts
and not interested, the former councils I lived in were big ones,
Detroit, San Francisco, LA. Tucson is much smaller and the
camporees are proportionally smaller as well.
The Post had in their "Patrol", two Eagle Scouts, a life, a star
and about four females which had no scouting background. It was
a mixed group. My experience tells me that the patrol which wants
to win and prepares to do so, will do very well at the camporee,
the fact the scouts are older or younger does not have too
significant of an impact on the outcome.
At the district meeting I made the suggestion that the post along
with the O-A (which is too small to do this on its own) chair,
committee and run the camporee. The O-A advisor has scouts
interested in doing just this, but the O-A is not large enough by
itself. He liked this idea. The Post Advisor pushed his measure
to have the committee on if the post will be allowed to participate
in all the activities at the camporee. This was needed to answer
his question on where the post fit in with the new council
structure which has all the posts in one district (the council).
The vote was passed without any no votes (politics you know). We
do want them to participate. I realize that the object of the
camporees is fun and learning. Participation would be a good word.
But I am also realistic. If the post COMPETES and WINS again,
there will be more moaning and groaning in the ranks and I do not
really want to alienate anyone, especially the troops with mostly
11 and 12 year olds. (More Politics). Besides, the troop leaders
rarely come to the district meetings (we get very few institutional
reps, maybe one to three at any district meeting). They will not
hear the discussion and arguments for and against that we do when
we decide such things.
In my view, I would love to see the post help plan, organize, and
run the camporee. Or they could do High Adventure demonstrations
or maintain the first aid station or .... All these things I have
seen explorers do, I would prefer they did not compete. I think
they older scouts will get more from planning, organizing, and
running the camporee than from participating.
Almost forgot, one of the suggestions offered at the district
meeting was several levels of competition, older scout patrols
(include varsity and explorers) and younger patrols. Frankly, I
do not think we are really large enough to support this. We did
when the Webelos came to the camporees, but I suspect we would have
fewer than five or six older scout patrols.
What I would love from everyone on the list is your ideas,
comments, and any information you have on similar experiences which
you have had, which relate to this. If I get some good comments,
I will pass them onto the Explorer Post Advisor. If he does his
job right, he will let the explorers decide their type of
participation, but he should be able to influence their decision
with his input.
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City