Eagle Project/from soc.culture.latin-america msg
Wed, 12 Dec 1990 09:07:00 MST
As a new District Advancement Chairman, I am enjoying and learning from
this discussion on Eagle Scout Projects. Believe it or not, I have been
taking notes and saving some of the messages.
I suspect the reason the project was rejected by National has to do with
its fund raising nature. The project was to distribute the flyers, not
raise the funds. But the purpose of the flyer was to raise funds. I
suspect this is what caused National to reject the project. The scout and
local District/Council was walking an awlful fine line when they approved
this projcet and they paid the consequences. I sure hope that the scout
was able to complete another project and receive his Eagle. It sure sounds
like he deserved it.
The information provided by our council states "These projects may not be
performed for a business, be of a commerical (their spelling, not mine)
nature or be a fund-raiser."
RE: the statements and comments from BlackEagle.
Thank goodness not all professionals are like this. My brother was a D.E.
for a while until the high blood presure to raise funds forced him to get
out. He, like me is from Upper Middle Class Suburbia. He was assigned to
work in a poor area of a poor council. Sort of sounds like a formula for
disaster, doesn't it. I still remember one story he tells of his
experiences there. Seems a youth came up to him one time and said "My
mother says that scouts are only for rich kids." My brother asked him why.
He replied "Because you have to buy all kinds of things." "What things",
inquired my brother. "Well, you need a sleeping bag," stated the boy. My
brother opened the scout handbook and showed the scout the page where it
shows you how to make a sleeping bag out of blankets. "You need to buy a
mess kit." when on the boy. "You can make your own out of tin cans." (Metal
working merit badge.) Continued my brother. The poor boy did not have a
chance. It is too bad the boys mother was not there at the time. I am
sure the boy could not present the arguments with the same effectiness that
my brother was able to.
I know of troops where they require the scouts to go out and buy specific
equipment (back packs and specific types of cooking/eating gear). They are
the troops where everything looks the same. Everyone has the same back
pack, same tent, same ... Gad, it makes me sick to think about. They
think it makes them look better at coamporees, etc... The troop I am with
currently does not own any tents. We use whatever tents the troop members
bring. We never go on an outing where two of tents look the same. When we
go back packing, at least half the scouts are using backpacks loaned to
them. When parents ask what they need to buy, as troop committee chairman,
I usually tell them a uniform is all we ask. Yes we will wait until
Christmas so you can give him the uniform for Christmas. If it is a real
problem, we will try to find one which was out grown.
Every Scout who joins our troop, gets a troop T-shirt. This is a red
T-shirt which I purchase in bulk for about $3.50 each. One of the scouts
came up with a design, and I put it into Silk Screen. I have donated at
least half the T-shirts to the troop from my own funds (even though I have
thousands of dollars of student loans, car payments, etc... on my head).
Have the scouts lost out? At the last camporee, they won the campsite
inspection (so much for the different tents having an impact), the one
before that they won the most spirted. Give them a good program and fancy
equipment will not matter. You do not have to be rich to have fun or a
successful scouting program.
As far as Latin American Scouting goes, Hurry, someone is trying to make
progress in opening this up to everyone. I was an Assistant Scoutmaster at
the III Pan American Jamboree in Bogota, Colombia in 1974. I returned to
Colombia for six months while working on my undergradute degree. I did
visit with one of the Colombian Scout Leaders I met while in Colombia. He
was a Med Student. He also worked on a camp staff in the Detroit area one
summer. (I am orginally from the Detroit Area). He gave me a good
exposure to Scouting in Colombia. You could see without asking that the
families of scouts had money. In Colombia, like many Latin Countries-not
all-there is only a small middle class. Either you have money or you do
not, very little inbetween. (This is and has been changing since my days
in Colombia 15 years ago.) If you talked to people who knew of the
scouts in Colombia and were what I would call their middle class, they
would tell you that the Scouts were for the RICH. There never seemed to be
any room for much debate. This is a tough image to dump, but I hope they
are successful in doing this. Scouting makes makes learning fun and
learning (education) is one way to better yourself and the world around
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City