CAMPING FOR CUBS, QUESTION FROM MONICA PILMAN
Mon, 24 Sep 1990 22:58:00 MST
As a scout leader I do not get too much exposure to cubs, however, about
five years ago, I was teaching the Webelo Leaders outdoor program. From
the changes that have happened since then, I would have to say that the
National office is getting paranoid! In one year I saw the rules for a Cub
Day Camp to meet national Standards go from four pages to eight! Most this
really started jumping when the McMartin Pre-School case came out in the
press. (At the time I was participating with a troop in Hermosa Beach,
near where the pre-school was located). At one time we could to say to Webelo
leaders, if you have five adults and seven Webelos, go for it. Now that
would mean breaking National's rule and the insurance would not cover you.
From the other E-mail messages that have come over the system recently I
have learned that Husband and wife are not suppose to sleep in the same
tent when they go camping with the troop. You tell that one to my wife and
you can forget seeing her out with the troop ever again. She would never
sleep out in a tent by herself. People are really beginning to worry about
everything and they are not stopping or even slowing down enough to realize
that 80% of the things they are worried about, they can not do anything
So Moncia, my suggestion would be to forget the DE, do not even listen to
his ramblings anymore. If you are meeting the standards required by
National to go camping with cubs, which are at least one adult per cub
(best if the adult is related), then go. IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE A
MARVIOUS PROGRAM. If the DE is so worried about liability that he is
trying to destroy the program it is best to just not pay any attention to
him anymore. Since you are following nationals rules, you are covered by
the insurance. Since you have at least one adult family member along, you
have someone to speak for the cubs if something happens.
By the way, now that I am in Tucson, I have seen some of the changes. At
camporees the Webelos are no longer allowed to camp. Not even if they
bring the family along. Our commissionier says this is Nationals rule and she
is so by the book, that it is not worth the effort to argue.
It is a shame they are directing you away from the council camp, since
funds donated to scouting go to help maintain these camps. But like I said
earlier, do not waste your breath arguing, just be sure you follow the
rules as spelled out by National (not the DE) and go somewhere else.
Also Monica, if this is the same DE that only seems to be asking for Money
(I seem to remember that this one came from you, but I am not sure), I
would write and complain to National and to the local council. Either
he/she is not right for the job, or someone needs to give this person
better training. His/her job is not to try and destroy your program, but
to help you with the program and be sure you know how to stay within
National guidlines. In other words he should be saying, "you are going
family camping? Be sure you file your local tour permit, be sure you have
at least one parent per cub, etc..." He should not be saying, "Don't go
family camping. It is not good for the scouting program."
Without Outings is is not scOUTING.
Terry Howerton Sakima Group, Inc. SCOUTER Magazine Kansas City