Re: Paramilitary Ranks in Exploring
Jere Long (firstname.lastname@example.org)
Thu Jun 25 08:30:21 1998
I appreciate Scott Smith's question with respect to his Explorer Post's historical reinactment activities. My suggestion would be to stick with the program... that is, Post officers are President, etc., but then, in addition and in the context of the reinactment, assign whatever "ranks" may be appropriate to the roles which ANY of the participants are filling, whether youth or adult. I think that this is a significant point. For example, does your Post have other activities besides the reinactments? Parties, just eating out together, or whatever? It's entirely appropriate for the Post to wear Explorer (soon to become Venture) green shirts, etc. for non-reinactment activities. The program is more than any one of its components. It sounds like you have a really cool special interest for your group of kids.
On the other hand I have a concern about Tony Vining's response. Scouting is not a military or paramiltary organization. Congress was specific about that in granting the national charter. As he points out, JROTC is available for teenagers. If the interest of that group of kids is focused on the military; if they want to go play war, there is another organization available for them. Scouting in this country takes a lot of hits over the issue of being militaristic, and there has even been opposition from some church denominations to the Scouting program as a whole on that account. Baden-Powell did not advocate or intend that soldiering belonged in the Scouting program.
I assume that Mr. Vining's Post is one of the career-oriented Posts that will become part of Learning for Life - Exploring on August 1. If that's the case, they will be free to adopt whatever uniform they choose, and they could seek sponsorship from a National Guard unit or a school that has a JROTC unit. If they are intending to be a Venture unit, it appears that the uniform will be the dark green "Explorer" shirt, and that Outdoor Adventure is the program.
Eagle Class of '67
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On 06/25/98, at 2:16 AM, email@example.com wrote:
>Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 07:14:56 -0700
>From: Tony Vining <Tvining@usa.net>
>Subject: re: Halfway Military Ranks or Titles in Posts
> Let me begin by saying that I have, through the local Air Guard Base
>that sponsors my unit, adopted a uniform using the Air Force clothing. Our
>Blue shirts have the Dark Blue "E" patch on the Right sleeve, and the BDU
>uniform has it on the Left Sleeve.
> This puts us in a position to be "Easily distinguished from military
>personnel". Our uniform closely resembles that of a JROTC unit or the Civil
> I use the Air Force Enamel Rank on the collar. This, again, is far
>from Air Force practice, and is where JROTC units are.
> I have found that surplus stores sell the Dress uniform pants and
>shirts for about 15 dollars.
> BDU's are more expensive, running about 40 dollars used.
> If I can find my uniform policy at the base next Guard drill, I will
>send you a copy of it.
>Check out 2 Great Web sites:
>Explorer Post 2868: HTTP://bsaawac.fwi.com/Post2868
>Anthony Wayne Area Council: HTTP://BSAAWAC.FWI.COM
>Tony Vining, TVining@usa.net
>Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 15:09:42 -0400
>From: "W. Scott Smith" <JamesRiver@mci2000.com>
>To: Explorer-Net Discussion List <firstname.lastname@example.org>
>Subject: Paramilitary Ranks
>Okay guys, thanks for your help.
>Here are the basic company level ranks/positions for a late 18th Century
>infantry unit in Virginia (they copied the British):
>1 Captain-Lieutenant (rare)
>1 Senior Sergeant
>1 Senior Corporal
>Regimental structure would include:
>1 Lieutenant Colonel
>Adjutant, Quartermaster, Paymaster, Surgeon, etc.
>Any recommendations on what to call the adults and what to call thhe youth?
>How about committee members?
>W. Scott Smith