Re: Senior Scouting Awards
Alex Chacko John Neroth (aneroth@leland.Stanford.EDU)
Thu Mar 05 18:58:04 1998
I think I agree with everything you just said. Hoorah!
BTW, I know I should have asked earlier, but what does CAW stand for?
"Career and [huh?]"?
Yours in Scouting,
Alex C. J. Neroth
On Thu, 5 Mar 98 08:17:48 CST6CDT, William H. Sills wrote:
>My understanding from un named national sources <VBG> is that no one should
>count on anything unless and until it is in print on National Letterhead. :-)
>Logically, BSA would RETURN to the former traditional system: (1), EAGLE for
>troop age boys, the wonderful, prestigious award attained by few youth; (2),
>QUARTERMASTER for Sea Scouts, the award representing mastery of difficult
>nautical skills and the development of leadership abilities and teaching skills;
>(3), RANGER, the former Explorer Scout Award, the PARALLEL award for High
>Adventure Venturers; (4), the SILVER Award for CAW Explorers AND for those Sea
>Scouts, Air Scouts (if any), and High Adventure Venturers PLUS (5), the ACE
>Award, formerly for Air Scouts in squadrons, for aviation skills.
> The logical thing to do may not be what finally happens. Remember, a
>camel is a horse designed by a committee. <VBG> "Logical consequences are the
>scarecrows of fools and the beacons of wise men" (Huxley, 1874) The ACE,
>QUARTERMASTER, RANGER and SILVER awards should be equivalent ranks and retain
>there traditional four step advancement path.. There is no need to have any one
>award SUPERIOR to all others. That would simply result in unending controversy.
>Just as there can be no equality between Eagle and the Senior Scouting Awards
>because they are for different age groups of youth and serve, in the case of
>Eagle, as recognition of broad familiarity with the many facets of life needed
>to become a good citizen and a moral human being, the Senior Scouting
>(Venturing, Exploring & Sea Scouting) awards represent skill and leadership
>attainments in specific fields. Campmanship is not equal to seamanship.It
>certainly is EQUIVALENT.
> Some of the nost forceful advocates for restoring ACE, RANGER and SILVER
>have been your web footed fellow Scouts. We deeply believe in the value of
>EAGLE. (Just look at the percentage of male Quartermaster that first reached
>EAGLE. For example, 100% of the male Quartermasters in 1997 and so far in 1998
>are Eagle Scouts)
>We have seen how the availability of the Quartermaster Award rank system has
>helped ships retain youth until "aged out" at 21. We have seen the potentiial of
>the G.O.L.D. Award (the execution leaves a lot to be desired) for girls as an
>off set to boys getting so much glory from Eagle.. We firmly believe that
>reinstituting the other awards would also enhance the youth tenure of posts.
>That advocacy on the part of so many Sea Scouters hardly constitutes an
>antogonistic attitude towards posts. We simply believe that all Scouters should
>strive to do those things and take those actions that would help our moral
>movement become stronger and more attractive and, thusly, serve more young women
>and young men.
> Let us prove Hegel (1770-1831) wrong, at least in the case of the BSA's
>Senior Scouting program. He said "What experience and history teach is this ---
>that people and governments never have learned anything from history, or acted
>on principles deduced from it. "Philosophy of History" (1832)
>Web Footed Scouter