Re: Ranger and Silver follow Quartermaster -Reply -Reply
Bruce C Johnson (firstname.lastname@example.org)
Thu Mar 05 06:27:30 1998
I have the answers to some of your questions but not others. Please see
>>> Alex Chacko John Neroth <aneroth@leland.Stanford.EDU> 5 March 1998
2:25 am >>>
First of all, let me apologize for not having my history straight. I
didn't know that Ranger, Silver (1), and Silver (2) were pretty much
separated chronologically. I had really thought that Silver had always
been _the_ highest award in Exploring and that Ranger and Quartermaster
were both inferior.
Now, let me ask:
1. Why will the Ranger Award and the Silver Award exist concurrently?
BJ> While I haven't seen the information on Ranger, I assume that it is for
2. Ranger will be intended for mainly Outdoor Venturers (Explorer
3. Will Ranger be available for earning by all Venturers (Explorer
Scouts and Sea Scouts alike)?
4. Will Quartermaster be available for earning by Explorer Scouts
(i.e., Venturers who aren't Sea Scouts)?
BJ> No. Quartermaster is and will remain a Sea Scouting recognition.
5. Will Silver be an achievement award (like GOLD) or an advancement
award (like Ranger and Quartermaster)?
BJ> An advancement award with set requirements.
6. Silver will be part of the programs for all Venturers (i.e., it won't
be intended mainly for Explorer Scouts), right?
BJ> I'd say more accurately that it will be available to all Venturers.
How much a part of each program it will be remains to be seen.
7. Eagle and Quartermaster are considered equal awards (even though
-- and I agree with you Bill -- Quartermaster looks a lot harder), right?
BJ> That is correct. They are exactly on par with one another, although
Quartermaster is harder. That is reasonable since we're dealing with an
older age group.
8. Ranger is intended to be equal to Quartermaster, right?
9. Is Ranger the Explorer Scouting prerequisite for Silver?
BJ> I BELIEVE that Ranger will be coming over to Venturing and not be
available to Explorers after August 1st. (I may be wrong about this.)
10. If 7 and 8 are both true, then why is Ranger the Explorer
Scouting prerequisite for Silver while Able or Ordinary is the Sea Scouting
BJ> I can't answer the Ranger part of this question, but Silver was built
specifically with the idea that some part of the requirements would be
What I really don't understand is why (from what I've been hearing) Ranger
will be the Explorer Scouting (Outdoor Venturing) prerequisite for Silver
while Ordinary or Able will be the Sea Scouting prerequisite for Silver.
This seems to imply (regardless of whether or not Silver is intended to be
more challenging than Ranger or Quartermaster) that Sea Scouting is somehow
better or more special than Explorer Scouting.
Also, I really hope that Ranger will be designed to be just as difficult
and to have just as much status as Quartermaster. Again, to do otherwise
would be to imply that Sea Scouting, in being the only program with a
highest award that's equal or better than Eagle, is somehow better than the
other types of Venturing. Sea Scouting definitely deserves respect for
being the original Scouting program for older youth, but no one will ever
convince me that Sea Scouting is _better_ than the other kinds of
Venturing. I strongly feel that all the different kinds of Venturing
should be considered equal and should receive equivalent opportunites in
regards to program and advancement.
BJ> Notwithstanding some opinions on this list, all kinds of Venturing ARE
equal. All of us have loyalties to our type of Venturing. In some cases
those loyalties go back decades. (I'm a comparative baby in Sea Scouting
since I only go back 20 years. :) ) Even so, the particular type of
Venturing is best for the person it was designed for. That's an awkward
way of saying that while it's good to root for the home team, it's bad to
root against the other team(s).
BJ> I think that there are a lot of good things happening in the future
Venturing program. While our history and the way we run our programs
differ somewhat, we have much in common. By working together and
encouraging one another, I'm certain that we will all come out ahead.
Commodore, Sea Exploring
Northeast Region, BSA