Re: Explorer/Venturer Award Knots
Alex Chacko John Neroth (aneroth@leland.Stanford.EDU)
Tue Mar 03 17:21:35 1998
I agree that if the new Ranger and Silver Awards are nearly identical to
the ones which were discontinued in the '60s, then the same knots should be
used. However, if the requirements and the overall program of the new
awards are different, I think new knots should be designed to differentiate
between the two. For example, if what it took to earn the Ranger Award in
the '60s isn't pretty much the same as what it'll take to earn the
reinstituted Ranger Award, then BSA should use a new knot. Scott, can you
shed some light on this? How will the new Ranger and Silver compare with
the old ones?
Also, keep in mind that the current GOLD Award is different from the old
Gold rank which led up to Silver. We both agree that a new knot should be
designed for the GOLD Award (because the Red, White, and Blue background
with Silver knot currently represents far too many past and present
If the Ace Award is reinstituted (though I haven't heard any information to
indicate that this might happen) and if the requirements and program aren't
nearly identical to those for the old award, the new knot could be a Dark
Green background (or Black for Sea Scouts) with a Sky Blue square knot. Of
course, if the Ace Award is resurrected and if its requirements and program
are the same or very similar to those for the old award, the old knot
should be used.
Yours in Scouting,
Alex C. J. Neroth
On Sat, 28 Feb 98 18:58:50 CST6CDT, William H. Sills wrote:
>Betamax carries SILVER, ACE and RANGER knots as well as our special Sea
>Scout versions of everything.
>I would be pretty upset if BSA di not use the RANGER and SILVER knots.
>Also, I would like to see a new knot for G.O.L.D. Now, note that GOLD was
>2nd to SILVER and Bronze was 2rd until 1965 when BSA dropped the
>advancement. I hope that a BSA award in not used for the non-BSA LFL
>program. I'd loke to see a new name for G.O.L.D. Also, winc many of us
>also dream of having ACE return in the future, let'sa not use our knot
>for anything else!
>Alex Chacko John Neroth wrote:
>> Hello All!
>> I don't know if the "knots" for the new Venturer awards have been
>> designed yet, but if not, I've got a few ideas. (For those non-BSA
>> Explorers/Venturers and Leaders, knots are small badges used to
>> represent medals or ribbon awards during less formal occasions. To
>> see a pretty good display of all the BSA knots, go to
>> The background for all the knots (except for Quartermaster) should be
>> dark green to match the color of the Venturer/Explorer uniform shirt.
>> Silver Award: Dark Green background with Silver square knot (like
>> the mylar (?) used in the silver and purple youth religious award
>> Ranger Award: Dark Green background with Red square knot
>> Quartermaster Award: White background with Dark Blue square knot for
>> a White shirt or vise versa for a Blue shirt (just as it is now)
>> GOLD Award: Dark Green background with Gold right loop of square
>> knot (again, like the mylar used in the youth religious award knot,
>> but gold instead of silver) and White left loop of square knot (to
>> match to color of the GOLD medallion and ribbon, and to match the
>> Explorer Leadership Award (Council): Dark Green background with
>> Blue right loop of square knot and White left loop of square knot (to
>> match the ELA Council-level ribbon)
>> Explorer Leadership Award (Area/Region): Dark Green background with
>> Green right loop of square knot and White left loop of square knot
>> (to match the ELA Area/Region-level ribbon)
>> Explorer Leadership Award (National): Dark Green background with
>> Red right loop of square knot and White left loop of square knot (to
>> match the ELA National-level medallion)
>> The current knot used for the GOLD Award (Red, White, and Blue
>> background with Silver knot) has been used for far too many knots, in
>> my opinion. (Currently, holders of the old Silver, Ranger, Ace, or
>> Explorer Achievement Awards, or of the current GOLD Award are allowed
>> to wear that knot.) That's why I think that a new knot should be
>> used for the GOLD Award (i.e., Dark Green with Gold right loop and
>> White left loop) to reduce confusion.
>> Reactions? Suggestions? Ideas?
>> Yours in Scouting,
>> Alex C. J. Neroth
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