William H. Sills (email@example.com)
Wed Feb 25 00:11:58 1998
Bob's numbers were quite perplexing. I regularly survey the youth
registered as Sea Scouts in my Central Region. My methods are the following:
First, I contact the skippers and request that they poll their ship's company.
Since I have served with many of them for over 30 years, they know what I need;
Second, I directly contact the Squadron Chief Boatswains; Third, I discuss the
issues with our flotilla Quarterdeck; and Last, I contact the current and still
registered Quartermaster Award recipients in Central Region. I have created a
voluminous file of what kids and leaders want and don't want in our region and,
before that, in East Central Region. My records well predate the big
announcement, actually some go back to the 1960s. In the case of the name, they
have remained consistent over the years. The only trend that I have seen is quite
minor. Since the early 70s, the number of youth preferring the term Sea Explorer
has gone from minuscule to non-existent. Remember, although some of us have been
denizens of the Internet since its public beginnings, most people are not yet
connected. The vast majority of our skippers and non college kids still rely on
the printed word and the $$$$$telephone$$$$$$. <VBG>
Our surveys are for internal use only. We do not make them available
to the public. They are not official BSA studies. Under no circumstances do we
present them as anything but unofficial. Further, they are only for our volunteer
association. They are not for distribution. However, if you have some valid
reason for seeing those for the Central Region, please contact me directly with
your rationale and I will pass that on to the others. I do not make decisions in
that regard by myself.
Actually, there have been approximately nine opinions expressed in the last
few days on the Internet by youth in your Western Region Sea Scout Flotilla. I
believe they were from both young ladies and young men. I do not recall any that
did not wish us to return to Sea Scout. In fact, I believe that the only votes
for Sea Explorer came from youth in Northeast Flotilla.
I receive 10 to 50 messages concerning Sea Scouting in my personal
mailbox every day. I don't ever recall anyone, youth or adult, ever indicating
anything except a desire to officially return to SEA SCOUT. In fact, you would be
hard pressed to find anyone in Central Region that uses any term but Sea Scout.
The only time Sea Explorer is used is in "official stuff".
After 27 Long Cruises, five Sea Badge Conferences, adult
SEAL training, innumerable regattas, rendezvous, Sail-offs, training sessions,
national, regional area, council and ship meetings in the 54 years that I have
been lucky enough to be in the BSA, your assertions bear no resemblance to any
data I have gleaned. Also, I have been on Compuserve since its inception in the
bad, old DOS days and on its Scouting Forum, Sea Scout Section and have never
heard anyone young or old, wish to have any name but Sea Scout. So, I simply have
no idea from whence your belief that kids want anything but Sea Scouts has been
Your reply to my missive indicated that you had polled Explorers.
Since I only polled members of ship's companies and no Explorers, it may well be
that your sample differed from mine. There may be some new, non-traditional
sailing posts in Western Region or even some new, isolated non-traditional ships
in the eastern portions of Western Region that are more Explorer than anything
else. Since I have more than enough to do here in America's Heartland <G>, I
really don't know if any hybrid post/ships exist in your region.
Anyway, I have no idea from whence your numbers arose. I have copied
your post and will bring it our Task Force (Area) 1 and 3 and Flotilla Sea Base
combined committee meeting at 1100 tomorrow. I will ask and post the "votes" of
I can not recall if you are a post advisor or Ship skipper. If you are in
a ship, what is its name? If you are a skipper, how long has your ship been
around? Also, if you are a ship, how many Long Cruises have you enjoyed, how many
leaders have Sea Badge, how many leaders have attended Sea Explorer Leader
Specialized Training, how many youth have attended SEAL, how many Quartermasters
has the ship produced and how many "Qualified Seaman" awards have been earned?
Feel free to continue this discussion off net.
SSS HATHOR (1)
Bob Amick wrote:
> My information came from the various lists to which we apparently both
> If you have conducted such a poll, unless I missed something, I haven't
> seen a posting from you describing the exact results of said effort.
> With all due respect Bill, I don't know where you got your numbers, either;
> but if you have a survey, I would very much like to see it displayed
> in terms of just how many posts, ships, etc, were surveyed, their
> if known, and exactly
> how many explorers did express a preference for Scouts vs. Venturer vs.
> Perhaps if this had been done throughout the country, at least on a
> "focused study" basis as another poster suggested, and prior to the
> decision being made to call the program Venturing, the outcome might have
> significantly different.
> Could you help us all out on that please?
> Moreover *none* of the Explorers I have communicated with like "Scout or
> and as I said before, *they* are the ones who should be having the lion's
> of the decision making power; because at least theoretically, it is their
> and they know better than we, what their peers think of such names.
> Bob Amick