William H. Sills (firstname.lastname@example.org)
Tue Feb 17 13:01:15 1998
To clatiry the Chicago Exploring situation, ALL posts, troops and packs were
transferred to private entities. None were lost. There appear to be two reasons
for the change: First, it allows San Francisco and Chicago governmental
entities to sponsor posts; Second, it separates the always separate Sea Scout
program and the Explorer Posts engaging in traditional Scouting activities from
the career oriented Exploring Division, eg High Adventure, Indian Culture, etc.
Sea Scouts, of course, are ecstatic. We are and have been separate
programs, originally half of Scouting.We never wanted to be administtered by
the Exploring Division so why would we take this as anything bit a positive
development? High Adventure and other traditional posts, the old Explorer
Scouts, should also realize this is an incredible opportunity for them too. All
outdoors units have been smothered by CAW. Now, we can go back to traditional
SENIOR SCOUTING and promote our programs sans confusion. Those with secular and
alternate morality can find a happy home in LFL and those of us whose differ
from the current moral mileau can be part of the Venturing Division.
I firmly believe that this change will serve both groups well.
> Yes the legal costs. The Chicago action was not the only action going on
> nationwide with BSA. Even though the Chicago action was the ACLU v. the
> City of Chicago it was solely about the BSA. Chicago like Denver has a law
> that says you cannot discriminate against someone because of their sexual
> orientation. If you cannot use the facilities, people etc and discriminate
> against someone because of sexual orientation.
> The Chicago consent decree eliminated all of the following posts: law
> enforcement, fire, ems in one day. That is a lot of explorers to lose
> chartered units and advisors for.
> Even thought he BSA was not named in the, they still had time invested in
> the action. One of the big reasons for the change was to defer some of
> these actions and keep a "BSA program" around for kids. Law enforcement
> exploring is 50% of the exploring program here in Denver. If Chicago is
> similar that is a lot of posts that upon the signing of the consent decree
> were no more.
> The loss of several thousand explorer's in one day in one council is a
> I am sorry if I did not explain my thoughts clearly. I see the changes in
> the exploring program as a way to face these issues more than anything and
> my contacts have agreed with that from Irving.
> Yours in Scouting
> Jim Moss
> 12340 W. Alameda Pkwy., Lakewood, CO 80228-2841
> Eagle Class of 69, Vigil, Denver Area Council
> I'm sorry, but I must have missed something. The cost of defending _which_
> actions cost the BSA at least $1 million in 1997? Are you talking about
> problems? If so, to which of the three "Gs" ("Girls, Gays, and God") are
> you referring, and how will starting Venturing solve these problems? Maybe
> completely misunderstanding you.
> Yours in Scouting,
> Alex C. J. Neroth
> E-mail: email@example.com
> URL: http://www.stanford.edu/~aneroth
> On Sun, 15 Feb 98 18:29:28 CST6CDT, JHMoss wrote:
> >The cost of defending these actions comes out of the BSA budget. I sus
> >they were talking $1 million for 1997 alone. It had to be hurting. I
> >don't have any answers to the problems. I hope their solution works. I
> >will fight a little harder to keep the program running. Hate to see so
> >many years of tradition die, but it is cheaper to bury it then be bankrupt
> >or force out of business.
> >Yours in Scouting
> >Jim Moss
> >12340 W. Alameda Pkwy., Lakewood, CO 80228-2841
> >Eagle Class of 69, Vigil, Denver Area Council