Re: NEWS FLASH
William H. Sills (firstname.lastname@example.org)
Tue Feb 17 11:35:32 1998
I believe that the crux of the matter is our chartering partners must be able to
legally restrict the members of their units to those esppousu=ing the high moral
standards of the CO and the BSA. Entities precluded from doing so can no longer
charter units under the BSA umbrella. Ergo, LFL, a distinct, separate corporate
entity with no moral beliefs.
Yours In Sea Scouting;
Troiano, John wrote:
> Your line:
> I seriously doubt that the higher courts will force BSA to admit those
> espousing morals
> opposed to those of the movement.
> Unfortunately if you were right I don't think that we would be in this
> Here is the reprint of the Chicago Tribune article that points
> specifically to governments (in this case the City) requiring groups to
> adhere to their policies.
> SETTLEMENT OF ACLU LAWSUIT PUTS CITY, BOY SCOUTS ON SEPARATE PATHS
> By Terry Wilson Tribune Staff Writer
> February 5, 1998
> The City of Chicago and the Boy Scouts of America officially parted
> company Wednesday when the city signed an agreement in federal court
> stating it will not renew its charter agreements with the organization.
> Prompted by a lawsuit filed by the American Civil Liberties Union, the
> city, which had been a chartering entity for about 28 Explorer, Cub
> Scout and Boy Scout groups, agreed to stop the arrangement before U.S.
> District Judge Charles Kocoras.
> "The city agreed to drop its sponsorship of all Scouting programs as
> long as the Boy Scouts of America maintains policies that require a
> religious element in programming and excludes members on the basis of
> sexual orientation," said ACLU attorney Roger Leishman. "We're hopeful
> that the Boy Scouts of America will change its policy and realize it
> doesn't need to discriminate. If it continues, it cannot expect
> government sponsorship."
> The issue arose when Kevin Poloncarz, a University of Chicago law
> student who is gay and agnostic, wanted to volunteer as an adult leader
> of the city's Legal Explorer Post, which provided career-based
> information to teens interested in studying law, Leishman said.
> Poloncarz balked when he saw the registration form requiring he meet
> leadership standards that included a declaration of religious principle
> that discusses an "obligation to God," Leishman said.
> A co-plaintiff, Rev. Eugene Winkler, was party to the lawsuit because he
> believes the separation of church and state is hindered when the city
> sponsors a group that endorses religion, Leishman said.
> Lawyers from both sides reached an agreement and the city agreed to pay
> $20,000 in court costs, Leishman said.
> Neither party rushed the matter to court, a factor that allowed the
> Scouting units to find new sponsorship elsewhere so they could continue
> their programs, Leishman and city officials said.
> "Most of the posts have moved to private sponsorship," said Rebecca
> Fields of the Chicago Area Council of the Boy Scouts of America.
> John J. Troiano
> 1986 National Explorer President
> (I guess that will now take on a different meaning!)
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: William H. Sills [SMTP:email@example.com]
> >Sent: Monday, February 16, 1998 12:49 PM
> >To: Multiple recipients of list
> >Subject: Re: NEWS FLASH
> >The BSA is a moral movement. It is not an outdoor boys play club. I seriously
> >doubt that the higher courts will force BSA to admit those espousing morals
> >opposed to those of the movement. Sea Scouting remains the traditional
> >that emanated from Robert Baden Powell's earliest camping by boat experiences
> >with his elder brothers Warington and George. CAW was often run as so distant
> >from BSA that most of the youth I have met knew nothing about being in
> > The pendulum is swinging to the moral side even as lawyers and
> >beaurocrats accommodate the amorality of the sixties. This division, albeit
> >caused by the wrong reasons, will stand us in goo stead in the future.
> > BSA had the correct answer. Selling out to the aberrated products of
> >sick sixties would have been wrong!
> > As Sea Scouts are fond of saying "Stay the moral course...".
> >Bill Sills
> >JHMoss wrote:
> >> In some states, accepting Homosexuals is not an option of the BSA. If the
> >> courts interpret the law that way, the BSA can either allow homosexuals in
> >> or not have Scouting. I suspect the BSA is fighting this more than we are.
> >> I know several of the churches with large BSA associations are going to
> >> scream and probably/possible withdraw their support based on where the BSA
> >> is forced to go. Your anger and your fight should be with the
> >> organizations and people forcing the BSA in this corner.
> >> Yours in Scouting
> >> Jim Moss
> >> 12340 W. Alameda Pkwy., Lakewood, CO 80228-2841
> >> Eagle Class of 69, Vigil, Denver Area Council
> >> I have several concerns with this switch. First of all, With the switch
> >> to Learning for Life, which is a school based program, will this allow
> >> the Government to force a change of rules such as the religious
> >> requirements, and the strong moral beliefs held by scouting. Will we be
> >> forced to accept those with no religious beliefs? Will we be forced to
> >> accept homosexuals? I think that if federal funds are in anyway
> >> involved, that the moral and ethical strengths of Scouting will be lost
> >> in a time when the youth of America need it most. I hope I am wrong.
> >> What do you think?
> >> John T. Yingling
> >> Advisor Post 2151
> >> Baltimore, Maryland